False. Study…. The body of Christ will be caught up first. Anything other than the catching up (“rapture”) BEFORE Daniel’s 70th week is Roman Catholic doctrine (see catechism 675). The true catching up destroys romanism. The false “pre wrath” teaching was only first postulated by Marvin Rosenthal in 1990 and is also easily refuted by scripture.
Arguments below….please use the KJV or textus receptus equivalent as new versions come from the vatican, see Nestle Aland / UBS novum testamentum graece 27th edition page 45 for proof.
The purpose of the tribulation period is for Israel. Daniel 9: 20-24.
It’s called the time of Jacob’s trouble and concerns Israel and Judah. Jer 30: 4-7
See 2 kings 17: 34
There are no references to the church in scripture during the tribulation period. Revelation 4: 22 etc.
The church is promised exemption from divine wrath. 1 thess 1: 10 ; Rom 5: 9 ; Rev 3: 10
The catching up is a comfort. 1 thess 4: 18
The antichrist cannot come to power until he who letteth is removed. 2 thess 2: 7
Refering to the body of Christ.
God does not pour out judgement on righteous people. Genesis 18:25 (KJV) That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked …
See 2 peter 2: 5 etc
There are saints in heaven, wearing crowns, before the tribulation period starts. These crowns are given at the judgement seat of Christ (rom 14: 10).
Converts in the tribulation period are living in another dispensation. Rev 14: 12
Church age believers cannot be placed in a situation where it’s possible to take the mark of the beast because we are sealed with the Spirit until the day of redemption Eph 4: 30 and guaranteed salvation John 10: 29
Nothing can separate us from the love of God, Romans 8: 38-39 yet taking the mark of the beast clearly will do just that, revelation 14: 9-11.
Without the mark of the beast (rev 13: 16) nobody can buy or sell but a christian must provide for his family (1 tim 5: 8) so if the church were on earth in the time of Jacob’s trouble, what is a christian to do? God is not the author of confusion 1 Cor 14: 33
Matthew 24 is not written to the church (see matthew 23: 37) but to the jews (see references to the keeping of the commandments) in the last 7 years. Also: no mention of resurrection of dead saints in matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17, Luke 21, because these verses are about the 2nd advent. Compare them to 1 Cor 15: 52, 1 Thes 4: 16.
The resurrection of the dead was already revealed by Jesus in John 11: 25-26 before it was revealed to Paul who wrote 1 Corinthians and 1 Thessalonians. Why then did Jesus not mention the dead being resurrected in Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17 + 21..? Because there are two separate events: the catching up of the church and the 2nd advent of Christ.
1 Cor 15: 51 says ” 1 Corinthians 15:51 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; ….”. If Matthew 24 were about the catching up, it wouldn’t be a mystery.
Why did Paul never warn the church against taking the mark of the beast?
For example in 2 tim 3:1 etc there is no mention of it while he does mention perilous times in the last days.
The angels preaching the gospel in Revelation 14: 6-9 cannot be preaching to the church because they’d be cursed according to Galatians 1: 8. See also Revelation 14: 12 : to be saved people in that dispensation must have the faith of Jesus AND keep the commandments of God.
In this time period (dispensation) we are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3: 28.
In revelation 7 this is not true for the 144000.
See also Galatians 6: 15
Ephesians 5:29-30 (KJV) For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
I grew up in a pretribber church but after researching and amassing all the scripture on the subject I had to humbly repent of the false teaching I once believed!:
I am so upset that I fell for the lie. It never felt right to me, but I fell for the sensationalist hype.
I lost a lot of respect for that satanic lie.
Thankfully we are all on a learning curve away from leaven and toward the unleavened truth!:
1 Corinthians 5:7-8 Purge out the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, even as ye are unleavened. For our passover also hath been sacrificed, even Christ: (8) wherefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
Thank you Edward, I pray Hugo humbles himself and allows the Holy Spirit to actually lead him in all truths rather than thinking his opinions are better than God’s biblical doctrines.
Isaiah 26:19-21 perfect OT example of the Rapture.
Titus 2:13 – the Rapture is our blessed hope. “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour, Jesus Christ”. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 – Paul speaking of the Rapture tells us to “comfort one another with these words”.
How can we comfort one another, if all we have to look forward to is how are we going to avoid taking the Mark of the Beast, and the total enslavement of every individual that is planned, and how can it be our “blessed hope”?
There are many typologies in Scripture that speak of the Rapture for those who have a hunger for God’s Word and have a willing heart and mind to search the Scriptures to see for themselves.
For example, Noah and his family were hidden in the Ark before the Great Flood started. (Genesis 6), and also the removal of Lot (Genesis 19) and his family before the judgement on Sodom and Gomorrah is a typology of how the Bride of Christ will be removed before the judgement on a Christ rejecting world during the tribulation. Also Enoch was raptured as was prophet Elijah.
Isaiah 26 is also very interesting and speaks of the rapture: “ 26:20, 21 – “come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thy self as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be over past. For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the Earth for their iniquity:…“.
This is a clear reference to the rapture of the church, the indignation being the great tribulation during which God pours out His wrath on a Christ rejecting world. (See Revelation 6-19).
See the parallel with Noah and his family hidden in the Ark before God’s judgment on a wicked world that led to the Great Flood.
There is some fantastic teaching on the rapture and how bible prophecy is being fulfilled, because Daniel 12:4 says that as the last days advance, scripture will become clearer to understand and that God will give more understanding and revelation into scripture which he is doing now. “But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book even to the time of the end: …”
Check out a channel on YouTube called Generation 24:34 this is named after Matthew 24:34, Dr. Andy Woods, Dr. Chuck Missler, and many others who teach from Scripture the certainty of the soon coming pre-tribulation Rapture.
Ireneaus, one of the earliest Church Fathers, who learnt the apostles’ doctrine from Polycarp who was directly taught by the apostle John, writes on the pre-tribulation rapture. Check on a channel called Soothkeep with Lee Brainerd who recently taught on what the Church Fathers taught on the Rapture.
We should be like the Bereans, who “received the Word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so”:
Matthew 24:37 – But as the days of Noe (Noah) were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 – For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 – And knew not until the flood came, and took (WHO?) them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (the WICKED WERE TAKEN)
Mat 24:40 – Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41 – Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:42 – Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
The WICKED were TAKEN and Noah was LEFT BEHIND at the end of the flood.
Luke 17:26 – And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
The WICKED were TAKEN and Noah was LEFT BEHIND
1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
The WICKED were TAKEN FIRST and Noah was LEFT BEHIND
Luke 17:27 – They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Luke 17:28 – Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Lot was left behind – the wicked were taken
Luke 17:29 – But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luke 17:30 – Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2 Peter 2:12 – But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken TAKEN and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
So do pre tribber preachers lie and make the Bible say the opposite of what it means?
Do we want to be taken or left behind?
I have heard that argument and it certainly makes sense.
However, for that to be true, i.e., the evil are taken (removed) and the saints “left behind”, that separating could not happen until ALL of the “end times” have played out, no? Which means the saints will not escape ANY of the end time tribulation, if your interpretation is correct.
So how do we interpret all the other scriptures that says pray that you be found “worthy” to escape all these things to come (don’t know which scripture that is) along with all the others that Edwin Dekker has cited.
Was Noah taken or left behind after the flood? Was Lot taken or left behind after sodom was burned? Was Daniel delivered in the Lion’s den? Were the 3 Hebrew men delivered from the fiery furnace in Babylon? Was that deliverance you are asking about? 11 of the 12 original apostles DIED FOR THE FAITH. Stephen died for the faith. Paul died for the faith as did many of the prophets. When those of revelation 20 are beheaded is this the wrath of God or of the devil? Read Hebrews 11 sometime and see what true believers went thru. If you are too good to face persecution for the Lord, become a Buddhist or something
You are not answering my question and have only denigrated me and projected your insecurities on me when you said “If you are too good to face persecution for the Lord, become a Buddhist or something”
IF the believers are the ones left behind AND the evil are taken, then that means it is the believer’s who will have to endure ALL the tribulation AND all of God’s wrath and NOT the other way around. So when do you think this “separating” of the wheat and tares is going to happen? At the very end of all prophesies? AND how are the believers going to survive God’s wrath or are they all going to perish?
Read Revelation 12 and give you a hint: the church is the woman, the bride of Christ. Christians being killed by the world is NOT THE WRATH OF GOD. God’s wrath is poured out on the world for their killing his bride and disobedience.
When someone’s ‘knowledge’ of The Bible starts with two errors.
‘Titus 2:13 – the Rapture is our blessed hope. “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour, Jesus Christ”.
No
‘1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 – Paul speaking of the Rapture tells us to “comfort one another with these words”.’
and no
First Titus
Titus was a Gentile and outside God’s family until by God’s grace ALL people were offered a CHANCE of salvation by Christ Jesus removing The Physical Covenant at his death, The Physical Covenant that was ONLY GIVEN TO THE JEWS making them, and ONLY them God’s family with the guidance required to remain in Gods family being The Commandments.
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
(Suddenly by the grace of God the means to salvation has come to ALL MEN)
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
(Now the PHYSICAL COVENANT or mark of circumcision is removed Christ Jesus is teaching The Commandments to all, those Commandments once only given to the Jews to keep themselves clean and righteous)
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
(Christ Jesus is now The hope of salvation TO ALL MEN)
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
(Christ Jesus taking all the sins of the Gentiles that were built up from Adam because they were NEVER given a covenant or the means by which to make themselves clean; The Commandments. By Gods GRACE Christ Jesus is taking those sins onto HIMSELF to give Gentiles a CHANCE of salvation if they follow The Commandments and walk in his footsteps)
15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
(Let no man tell a RIGHTIOUS Gentile they are any less.)
Titus 2, 11-15
Now Paul
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
(So nothing will be done with those RIGTIOUS left alive until AFTER the SECOND COMING of Christ Jesus. Those that have died will have to be judged before the alive.)
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(Again only AFTER The Second Coming of Christ Jesus those that died RIGHTIOUS in Christ Jesus are taken FIRST.)
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(So ONLY AFTER Christ Jesus returns and AFTER the RIGTIOUS DEAD are raised; THEN AND ONLY THEN; ARE THE FULLY RIGHTIOUS that are left alive AFTER Tribulation taken to those risen righteous that are with Christ Jesus in the clouds.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4, 15-18
Jesus in Revelation Chapter 3: 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
(most so called Jews follow babylonian talmud or Kabbalah which is satanism disguised as judaism – look it up)
Exodus 19:5 – Now therefore, if if IF IF (BIG IF) ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Jeremiah 11:10 They (Judah) are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers. Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers. (THEY BROKE THE COVENANT, NOT THE LORD)
Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. (God DIVORCED ISRAEL) Yet God promised a new covenant in Christ
Jeremiah 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a NEW new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jesus in Revelation Chapter 3: 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. (most so called Jews follow talmud or Kabbalah which is satanism disguised as judaism – look it up)
Yes Israel is blinded, but to what? I believe blinded to their identity of who they are.
Galatians Chapter 3: 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [be] Christ’s, then ARE are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. (ARE, not become and not “spiritual” seed either) Abraham was the grandfather of Jacob Israel.
Edwin; Your extensive “evidence” of scripture that you provided us with are pretty vague and does not really support your opinion. It seems you just handpicked some passages as 100% evidence. Even scriptures that has little to no reference to this subject we are talking about.
I think there are more scriptures that support that we will be here for the tribulation. My personal opinion is that we are already in the tribulation as we speak, so to say.
Many big events in the Bible happened right before peoples eyes without most of them even knowing it. Jesus talked about that for example in Matthew 16, about hypocrites who could tell the signs of the weather but not the signs of times.
God bless Hugo and all
The rapture was complete with the work of our lord and savior on the cross 2000 years ago.
No one wil ascape satan.
Just remember what side you are on.
And dont be a sissy 🤨
Dekker’s idea of the pre trib rapture only works when you think the antichrists claiming to be “Jews” are Israel.
1 John 2:22 – Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.)
1 John 2:23 – Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah? SATAN?
1 Corinthians 16:22 – If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.
DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?
Personally I think the church is Abraham’s seed or Israel. Galatians 3:29. – And if ye be Christ’s, then ARE ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Are, not become, the seed of Abraham the true hebrews / Israel.) Paul is preaching to the divorced Nations of Israel of Jeremiah 3:8 who shall be remarried in Jeremiah 31:31.
There is not a Jewish and Christian bride since the Lord is not married to two brides.
When is the resurrection ? Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:52 – In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?
In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the END end of the tribulation. there is not a 7th last trump prior to the tribulation.
Messianic Jews believe Jesus Christ is the son of God, the promised Messiah. They believe salvation is attained by faith in Jesus, not by following rabbinical law.
If Messianic “Jews” really believed in Jesus (not Yeshua) they would be Christians.
Does a messianic Jew really love the Lord Jesus Christ of the New Testament?
How to spot a fake wolf in sheep’s clothing
Are they pro zionist?
Are they pro Israeli?
Do they support the (Jewish magic) Kabbalah? The Zohar? do they openly condemn this? doubtful any do condemn it openly.
Do they support the babylonian Talmud?
Do they hate the name of Jesus? Only use “Yeshua”…?
Do they claim the new testament was mistranslated by those pagan Greeks? Torah or Tanach
The Chabad Lubavitch movement has the 7 Noahide laws and they hate Jesus / Yeshu, yet claim to be “messianic” Jews, just not the Jesus of the Bible.
To them Yeshua is Rabbi Schneerson, NOT Jesus.
Amos 5:26 – But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the STAR STAR STAR star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.
Acts 7:43 – Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the STAR STAR STAR star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
What STAR STAR STAR do the jews carry? Moloch and Remphan
Is Yeshua (Jesus) really Lucifer per the Complete (Messianic) Jewish Bible by Messianic Jewish ”MESSIANIC” author David Stern and his COMPLETE JEWISH BIBLE (NIV does the same)
The MORNING STAR (Lucifer in the KJV) who FELL from heaven in Isaiah 14 who goes to the pit.
Yeshua is the MORNING STAR of Revelation 22. (they want us to believe Jesus)
The messianic so called Jews claim Yeshua is the morning star who fell from heaven and is going to the pit who in the king james is called Lucifer.
So basically Jesus is Yeshua which is Morning Star who is the bad guy of Isaiah 14 going to hell. So is Yeshua really Lucifer? Only if you are a “messianic” Jew like david stern in his Bible.
This is what Messianic Jews teach and believe according to the Complete Jewish Bible by David Stern a so called messianic Jew. PS the NIV bible does the same thing.
The angel Gabriel Gave Mary the name of Jesus in the book of Luke which was written in Greek, not Hebrew.
There is to be a resurrection to come since Christ has not returned – Jesus tells us plainly in Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed (weeds) tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST first the TARES (WEEDS) tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
(first the tares WEEDS get gathered, then the wheat last) could it be any more plain than this?) Did Jesus mess up the timing of end time events? pre tribbers seem to think so.
Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Post trib. Math 24, Luke 21, mark 13 say after the tribulation christ comes back for elect = Christians ✝️ read seals, trumpets, vials as same story with same ending and different ending.
Read the 37th psalm.
Who does it tell you shall be removed from the earth?
Who will be left over in the earth?
How long shall they live in the earth?
All answered in one chapter.
I don’t believe the Rapture I believe what’s in Bible nothing will change my love and faith I have in God’s family’s he alone will take me hone in his time I believe u have start date birth and your death and only our Lord almighty knows that date
There setting ut up as always so what’s to come they’ll claim was the Rapture.
Look into WE 13/01/2023, 5000 extra heart attacks then all back to normal, they’ll blast the 5G and the jabbed with enough Graphene oxide in them will have heart attacks, millions and millions of them, looking to be this year, 7 years before 2030 and there losing there power.
Muslims haven’t had the death jabs, like in France they’ll motivate them to finish of Western White Man, started tooling up ready for that fight already, 4.5mm metal gas powered BB guns, blind them then finish them.
Other news, you lot know 100% they used canada fures to make a smoke screen and chemical leak over New York to hide multiple large objects entering atmosphere, the Alien are here and more worrying with USA, help with ww3?
End times began in Acts. The 70 weeks of Daniel was fulfilled with the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. Charles A. Jennings does some of the best work, and this is someone who genuinely loves the Lord Jesus Christ. Truth in History is not 501(c)(3) and he is very blunt about a lot of things, extensively into who the Israelites were — and are — not Jews, obviously. And he also talks about the hate e-mails, etc., that he gets. And, no, it’s not from rabbis but Christians — the pew sitters who listen to the guy in the pulpit or strutting the stage, who is beholden to the State first.
Truth always makes sense, and there is very little that Jennings and others say that doesn’t make perfect sense — AND HOLLYWOOD WOULD NEVER MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT DOESN’T MAKE THE PEOPLE WHO OWN IT LOOK GOOD.
The wheat and the tares. The tares are gathered first, i.e. the wicked and the destroyers of the earth. This is in the Bible throughout and it’s also backed up by Enoch 1, which is quoted by Peter and very succinctly in June. A lot of Balaam prophets-for-profit have made a lot of filthy lucre off the Rapture — and continue to do so.
The Rapture has also caused so-called Christians to dismiss God’s creation, the Earth, because, oh, God is giving the Earth to Satan and it will be totally destroyed. No, the Earth is the Lord’s and everything in it. Again, that nonsense is a wrong reading of Peter.
@Cathy “End times began in Acts. The 70 weeks of Daniel was fulfilled with the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.”
I am a new believer (just over two years now) but since I was saved I have had a terrible time trying to understand how ANYHOW gets 7 years of tribulation out of Daniel 9:27. God told Daniel that he was giving Daniel’s people 70 weeks to end their transgressions (sins). So how do 69 weeks get fulfilled by Jesus dying on the cross but then the last week gets cut off from the 70 weeks and thrown 2000 years into the future but somehow that is still 70 WEEKS??? No that would be 2070 weeks NOT 70 weeks!!!
So now EVERYONE believes there are only 7 years of tribulation when in fact John said that the tribulation had already started when he was alive.
Satan has deceived ALL into believing that the tribulation would only be 7 years so that people would MISS it and not see it and therefore not recognize the actual events happening as they were/are happening.
We are NOW in the final moments of the tribulation. I believe the mark has already been given (the jabs), the antichrist may have already been revealed, the trumpets have already sounded, etc.
God is not the author of confusion, the authors of confusion are men controlled by Satan that complicate biblical passages in order to sell you concepts that are not written in the gospels.
The jabs aren’t the mark. I believe the Digital ID tied to CBDC is. I know a young Christian mother who has raised her 4 child family in the church, by the Bible. She could’ve aborted her severely disabled daughter, it was highly recommended but she didn’t. During the pandemic, her daughter was hospitalized and the mother was forced to be vaxed in order to be with and advocate for her daughter, who had a trach that often needed suctioning. The child was 9 yrs old, still in diapers, special built wheel-chair bound, non-verbal, non-communicative – basically a “vegetable”, if you’ll pardon that term. Could you imagine caring EVERY DAY 24/7/365 for a disabled child like that, with 3 other children to care for also??
No one can ever tell me that God will condemn this mother to hell for taking the jab to be with her child in her last days on earth. Her only choice would’ve been to abandon her severly ill child to the medical establishment. After 3 wks in the hospital, the child died. Should she have died alone? If you could even imagine that situation, what would you have done? There’s thousands of stories just like that, not to mention millions of children that were jabbed by their parents. Even a few kids were jabbed “accidently” in spite of their parents wishes. Are they all damn to hell, too? Everyone,
ALL people were lied to about the jabs, they were tricked by that lie. Was it setting up the beast system, a trial run, maybe? Possibly. But you cannot be tricked into taking the Mark of the Beast, it will be a conscience decision.
You need to spend more time reading The Bible and less time trying to get knowledge lazily spoon fed to you by men. Charles A. Jennings, a man that believes the Jews are the physical children of satan from Cain. He in his works for his father satan, as all people who sin become satan’s seed SPIRITUALLY the seed of God removed from them.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3, 8-9
Israel and the Jews.
1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.
4 And he must needs go through Samaria.
No Jew had entered Samaria because to be even near these idolaters was believed to make you unclean. Christ Jesus the Jew chose to enter Samaria, chose to talk to a fallen Israelite, a member of the Samaritans. The Samaritans that fell to the Assyrians and the worship of a mountain ‘god’ and so became satan’s seed.
7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)
9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
John 4, 7-14
Decedents of Jacob but fallen to the Assyrian’s idol worship and so satan. Christ Jesus, The Word of God made flesh as a Jew traveling to their country to offer them the chance of salvation.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Samaria was the capital of Northern Israel during the split of Judah and Israel after Solomon died.
Jerusalem was the capital of Judah. Samaria was the Capital of Northern Israel and well Israel and Judah had different kings and even had wars against each other.
2 Chronicles 18:3 “And Ahab king of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat king of Judah, Wilt thou go with me to Ramothgilead? Ahab king of Israel and Jehoshaphat king of Judah. they had different kings and different capital cities.
To say they were the same is insane. Look at Jeremiah 3:8 the Lord DIVORCED ISRAEL, not Judah. Jeremiah 31:31 is the promise of a new covenant with Israel AND Judah. The Samaritan woman at the well was an Israelite of divorced Israel as we shall see.
John Chapter 4 5 Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph. (Samaria former capital of Northern Israel)
6 Now Jacob’s well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with [his] journey, sat thus on the well: [and] it was about the sixth hour.
7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)
9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? (the woman said Jacob [Israel] was her Father and Jesus never corrected her)
She asked: Art thou greater than OUR FATHER JACOB (who was Israel)
13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
She was indeed an Israelite who was of divorced Israel
Jeremiah 3:8
“And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.”
God divorced Israel, not Judah.
Jeremiah 31:31
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:”
Israel AND Judah both
Matthew 15:24 But he (Jesus) answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
IF you know who Israel is not (zionism) so maybe now you have a better idea of who Israel is….
Do you think Christ Jesus did not know many of his own people (Jews) would reject him? Do you think he did not know he would die for our sins?
35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
Christ Jesus asks his disciples if they lacked anything when he sent them out without money or clothing to spread the word of God. He does this to show Gods work requires nothing and defiantly NO WEAPONS. He is showing us there is a special reason for his next request.
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Christ Jesus now asks them to go and buy a sword, even though to own a sword at this time was punishable by death. A Roman decree had been announced no one could carry a sword because of an armed uprising against Roman rule.
37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
Christ Jesus now explains he MUST be arrested as a criminal and judged accordingly for scripture to be fulfilled.
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
Enough, enough to count his as a criminal, enough to lead to his death.
Chaplain Bob Walker, I find your self righteous vanity and poisonous bile spewing against ‘Jews’ for Christ Jesus’s death pitiful. I find it particularly distasteful considering Christ Jesus, The Son of God, The Word made flesh born a Jew freely gave his own life with such loving grace to give Gentiles and Jews an EQUAL chance of salvation.
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‘To say they were the same is insane. Look at Jeremiah 3:8 the Lord DIVORCED ISRAEL, not Judah. Jeremiah 31:31 is the promise of a new covenant with Israel AND Judah. The Samaritan woman at the well was an Israelite of divorced Israel as we shall see.’
The Samaritans WERE a TRIBE of Israel but they were captured by the Assyrians and fell to their idolatry. It matters not who you are genetically it matters who you are in righteousness NOW. Many members of The TRIBES of Israel have fallen to satan as the Samaritans did. BUT there is always hope if you admit you are wrong and accept Christ Jesus
39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.
40 So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.
41 And many more believed because of his own word;
42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
John 4, 39-42
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8,14-17
Paul the speaker of Hebrew. the Jew, the persecutor of Christ and his followers, circumcised, a Pharisee, Of the stock of Israel, Of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew, touching The Law, a Pharisee.
So you see a Jew is a Hebrew, is of the tribe of Benjamin, is of the stock of Israel, but Paul gave away his PHYSICAL advantage to accept the new SPIRITUAL covenant of Christ.
Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 – I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. and….
Jesus in Revelation 3:9 “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”
Loccie thinks the King James Bible and the words of Jesus are anti-semitic hate.
Only an ANTICHRIST Zionist would call the words of Jesus and the Bible as “HATE SPEECH” or “ANTI – SEMITIC”
I am certain had you lived in the time of Jesus you would have proudly stood next to the Jews screaming CRUCIFY HIM to Pilate to have Jesus killed.
1 John 2:22 – Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.) 1 John 2:23 – Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah? SATAN?
1 Corinthians 16:22 – If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.
DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?
Your default when you refuse to admit the truth, back to copy and paste with no answer to my question.
Do you accept Christ Jesus was a Jew?
If you can’t accept this you are the one who is denying Christ Jesus and thus an anti-Christ, You will stand before The Word made flesh as a Jew, Christ Jesus. I pity you but no one can help you but yourself, will you have the courage to tell Christ Jesus all Jews are satan’s children?
Jesus speaking to the Pharisee Jews – King James Bible book of John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
….because I tell you the truth….
….because I tell you the truth….
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
48 Then answered the Jews
Then answered the Jews
Then answered the Jews
pretty obvious who Jesus called of their father the DEVIL.
Jesus is an antisemite to antichrist zionists and Israeli trolls pretending to be “christians”
Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 – For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.
Loccie wants us to believe Jesus is an antichrist. I say Jesus is the Christ,
if you want to know what “Jews” really teach about Jesus google this “NOAHIDE YESHU”
I understand you are here for the bidding of your father satan; to spread anger, doubt, division and to drive away those that may seek knowledge with your lies. A Jew can only be a Jew in spiritual righteousness with Christ Jesus, anyone that calls themselves a Jew without Christ Jesus is a liar. So you defiling all Jews (which includes Christ Jesus) is grave blasphemy which you do to please your father satan.
“I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”
Paul, Abraham, Christ Jesus.
37 And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?
38 Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?
39 But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.
40 And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,
Acts 21, 37-40
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Philippians 3,
11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Romans 11, 1
17 Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah.
Mathew 1,17
27 Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers.
28 And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.
29 And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!
30 And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head.
31 And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.
Matthew 27:27-31
2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
Matthew 2:2
37 And set up over his head his accusation written, This Is Jesus The King Of The Jews.
Matthew 27:37
26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, The King Of The Jews.
Mark 15:26
32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
Mark 15:32
38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, This Is The King Of The Jews.
Luke 23:38
13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
John 12:13
19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was Jesus Of Nazareth The King Of The Jews.
John 19:19
2 And Pilate asked him, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answering said unto them, Thou sayest it.
Mark 15:2
Thank you for this, Hugo. This was an excellent and important one.
I am concerned that many superficial Christians will abandon the faith when Christians are persecuted at the End Times because they were expecting to be “raptured” before these hard times come. The book of Revelation says Christians WILL be persecuted. You are right on about the “complacency” danger. God has His purposes in allowing this persecution of true Christians. It will be a testing of faith, and how I pray to remain faithful. Christians in the Bible were honored to “be counted worthy” to suffer for the Lord. Yes, I would like to be spared too, but I don’t think this rapture concept is Biblical either. You are spot on in your concerns. I was impressed how you even referenced the Jesuit roots of this movement and the girl who went into a trance. It took me years to find that stuff out.
The Rapture concept was only popular in the late 1800s and on. Unfortunately, John Nelson Darby promoted it, and it took off with the Scofield Study Bible. The early Church did not believe in it because there was no Scriptural basis.
I wonder if this rapture that many Christians believe in somehow be used in an End Times deception with ufo abduction or New Age “evolutionary leap” teaching? I just don’t know? All I know is that it is not Scriptural – although popular- and that is highly suspect. Martyn Lloyd-Jones is a pastor who I listen to, and he believes the Rapture is not Scriptural. He goes into detail about that Irving church where that girl went into a trance.
@ Laura. Yes, this is exactly what they want: Everyone concentrating on their own ‘escape route’, instead of concentrating on spreading the Good News of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Loving and Trusting in Jesus with All of our Heart is the only answer.
Only then will we be prepared to die for Him because we understand that we die to inherit eternal Life with Him.
That will be the True test.
Understanding texts about a possible rapture with our head is not the answer; only Total and Complete Surrender of the Heart!
I’m a new Christian. I would love some feedback regarding being a church member. I’m especially interested in how to discern a church that is biblical. I man especially troubled by my current pastor who will often preach and exhort (or maybe extort) people to tithe. Sometimes I get the feeling that these preacher/pastors are just another form of grifters. I recently learned that the church I attend paid for pastor’s getting his Phd! I see a lot of waste and self serving when it comes to how money is spent that is making me feel very uneasy. My impression thus far from reading the Bible is that, as Christians we should be under some kind of discipleship; we should tithe to sow unto the kingdom of god ( meaning the church we’re attending and the missions they’re supporting as long as I’m there). I would appreciate any thoughts on this topic. I love Hugo in that he is always pointing out deception!! My biggest fear currently is that I’m falling into yet another deception!!!
Marina hi, I’ve been new age, buddhist amongst other beliefs. 3 year now a TRUE CHRISTIAN. PRAY AND READ MY KING JAMES BIBLE DAILY… I HAVE “STILL” NOT FOUND A CHURCH that has not sold out. Most see corrupt. Try “Voddie Baucham OR John McArthur for online bible church services. It’s not quite the same I know. HOWEVER they speak 100% TRUE BIBLICAL KNOWLEDGE & I FOUND THEM PERFECT… Also Paul Washer. However Voddie is my go to Pastor.
God’s love Marina 💕🙏
Hi. The Lord told me to leave the church in 2018 after I had been doing evangelism inside the churches to the lost, counterfeit Christians like I was, since 2007. I test every Bible teacher and YouTuber by their understanding on divorce and remarriage and what repentance from adultery is. They are all sell outs for money. John MacAuthur approves of divorce AND remarriage, Tiff Shuttleworth, Jack Hibbs who said you can be married five times or 50 times.
It is really sad that people can be involved with the Before The Wrath movie and know about the covenant that begins in the Jewish betrothal, but they can’t understand that in only Matthew’s gospel is there an allowance to divorce the betrothal wife for fornication/losing her virginity during the waiting period. There is no exception in Mark 10:1-12, Luke 16:14-18, Romans 7:1-3, 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 & 39 and Ephesians 5:31. Marriage is for life, and if you get divorced you must remain chaste or reconcile with your covenant spouse. John the Baptist was the first martyr for Jesus Christ, and he was beheaded for telling the truth to divorced and remarried Herod and Herodias. The rapture is very soon, but probably only 2-3% are living ready to go and have a biblical worldview. Maranatha.
What you say about your church is spot-on. Sadly because we are living in the last days, there are many churches that are not really following the Bible and pastors who are wolves in sheep‘s clothing.
The best I find is to pray and ask God to lead you to some true believers that you can fellowship with and if there is a church in your area that is preaching from God’s Word, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, that He will lead you to it.
If not, I pray that he will bring you some true Bible believers that you can fellowship with for Jesus said where two or more are gathered in my name there I am in the midst.
I can recommend some excellent online bible teaching such as Dr Andy Woods and Soothkeep which is a channel by a man called Lee Brainard, also jdfarag.org, and a YT channel called Generation2434 for encouragement for the days we are living in.
Check out also Tony Pearce with the Light for the Last Days. He pastors a church in North London. If you go on his website and email him, he may know of a fellowship in your area.
If you keep in the Word daily and keep close to Him He will not let you fall into deception, do not fear.
Hi Marina, God bless sister. I too had lots of trouble finding a biblical church. I finally found one, Praise God, called Christ Forgiveness Ministries or CFM. Just google it and hopefully there is a local church near you. http://www.christforgivenessministries.com... God Bless!
Christ forgiveness ministries teaches that Europeans are a non covenant people of Japheth. So the people who printed Bibles and built the churches are a non covenant people? They teach Black Africans are the covenant people – Bible book of 2 Chronicles 14:12 – So the LORD smote the Ethiopians before Asa, and before Judah; and the Ethiopians fled.
Bible book of Zephaniah 2:12 Ye Ethiopians also, ye shall be slain by my sword.
Ezekiel 30:5 Ethiopia, and Libya, and Lydia, and all the mingled people, and Chub, and the men of the land that is in league, shall fall with them by the sword.
First make sure they are teaching what the Bible says. First do they preach the real Gospel. Jesus died on the cross to pay for your sin debt and he rose on after 3 nights and 3 days to prove he conquered death. If they don’t teach that then run. If they get things wrong such as Good Friday being when the crucifixion happened ask them to explain. If they don’t go straight to the Bible and admit their error, run. Same with pre-tribulation rapture. If they preach that lie you can test if they will actually change their false doctrine or use illogical non-sense. Obviously if they are supporting homosexual behavior or abortion they are apostates, run.
If they are doing good work and not wasting the money then financially supporting them is good. Ask to look at the books. Any investor would do that.
Check to see if the church has a 501(c)(3) tax exemption. If they do, they are beholden to the government not the Bible and God’s Word. 501c3 specifically limits what a pastor can preach about. Nothing political or against the popular narrative like abortion, homosexuality or transgenderism. The fines and loss of the tax status are big threats. The church itself is already tax exempt. The 501c3 designation allows congregants to write off their donations, thus an incentive to give to the church. The church is afraid that without this tax break, people won’t give as much or any at all. Thank LBJ for that. He didn’t want black preachers telling their flocks not to vote Democrat.
totally agree with your 501C3 statement and I am not one either. They are not a “church” they are rather a tax exempt business with the word “church” in their corporate name.
It has been very important for those who deceive and mislead to distort the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 because it predicts exactly when Jesus would appear, when he would die for mankind and when the message of the Kingdom of God would go out to the whole world.
The book of Revelation tells of the 144,000 servants of God (Revelation 7 & Revelation 14) who will be sent to Earth to preach the Gospel after the Rapture.
However, there is no 7 year Tribulation. There are 3.5 years of Tribulation, followed by 3.5 years of God’s wrath. Christians must endure the Tribulation (Matthew 24, Mark 13, etc.) but are spared from God’s wrath being poured out in the Earth.
The verses Hugo uses from 1 Thessalonians clearly differentiate between believers who have died and those who are alive and remain, with the latter being called up to meet Jesus Christ and the former on the Day of the Lord / day of the Rapture.
There will be 144,000 elect of God from the 12 tribes of Israel after the 1st rapture, and the two witnesses of God will be active on Earth and also all the believers that turned to Christ following the rapture.
Very interesting video Hugo , thank you , (the other day , i sent you a video to your email address , about this very subject , as watching your video on here, you are correct in what you are speaking about, except, in revelations it says a believe from chapter 3- chapter 13 about the Church , being removed … Now when i say church , i mean The Remnant (not everyone) ( im talking about the people who are the Body of Jesus Christ here on earth , who are left … This is where the sifting the Father has been doing is about , sorting the Sheep 🐑 who are his children , from the 🐐 goats and the wolfs 🐺 of this world ….
Im meaning as i keep and have kept saying (only the sheep, will know the voice of the Shepherd & only follow him Hugo …
The calling away is only for the Remnant , the people , who are choosen from before they were born / conceived … The Father new them in the inner place , Jesus Christ knows who are His and we the sheep Know our Father … The Almighty God &Jesus Christ His only begotten Son …
((i know my Father as he knows me as we are Family, im open with him ,he new me from the beginning of time and he promised me He will protect me , as i am his child & he is my Father , My God , My Jesus Christ , my Redeemer ,who promised me , He is the alpha and omega , the beginning & the End ))
Many of us have been spoken to by the father about the rapture & such , but what ever the Father has for us, his children (the Remnant , he has because he Loves us )
There is a poem written called Foot prints Hugo ….
I know the father has shown us , many things about the times we are in & many of us are aware of the world and deceptive manner the world is in…
The Father clearly says , Do not be anxious , and that in every situation he has given his children , a way of escape …
As of the above , I will not die , but i will declare the Works of the Lord Jesus Christ for ever .
I am a Sheep , but my Father is The shepherd , i listen to him and i follow him only …
God bless you Hugo and all who read this , Amen and Amen
The lie is/was a trick ■ the church being preached and taught that they would be removed before the mark; the congregation not being aware that the Freemasonry members in the churches have been planning for a century or more to have the mark given through the practice of vaccination/needle. The reading of the scriptures through the lineage is considered by most unnecessary time spent; not being aware it is a Genesis seed war, a generation war, a gene abomination. Revelation 3:10 to “lead us not into temptation” is in Greek originally “to lead us not into the [e]xperiment.”
Daniel 12, Matthew 13, Revelation chapters 19 and 20 ■ the day of the LORD, the wrath, the first Resurrection and then after the Millennium the second Resurrection. Found written in the Book of Life/Lamb’s Book of Life is a great study. In Daniel just before the end chapters it mentions the beast having his ‘fathers’ and then mentions the [d]evices that the beast has.
The scripture is obvious when it says that we Christians will have tribulations and thus i believe that rapture is pre judgement and not pre tribulation.
Revelation Chapters 19 through 22; I watch ■ my personal watch is the public offering of the first vaccination abomination in the middle of Hanukkah, December 14, 2020 and that was in N.Y. at 5:15 p.m. that evening. I then add 1260 days/42 months/ 3.5 years from that night and it is completed at the [e]nd of Shavuot at sundown, the following day is July 14, 2024. If there is a delay or just a completion of the beast’s allowance of time the Fall Feast 2024 is said to be the [e]nd of the Jubilee/50th year. Feast of Trumpets is a known idiom to the Jews, “No on knows the day or hour,” because it takes ‘two witnesses’ to sight the new moon to start the Feast. The Fall Feast 2024 will be a seven year anniversary from the Revelation 12 sign that appeared in the heaven/s in September 2017.
Satan’s deceivers like their numerology so the start of the rollout can’t be dismissed. Do you think the covid jab is the “Mark” or CBDC given the no man can buy or sell in Revelation? I wonder if the Beast is the G7 and the Antichrist is Prince William (UK) as he’s very well liked here in England. He’s following WEF doctrine just like his evil father King Charles who is mostly despised here.
Death penalty for not taking the Mark of the Beast hasn’t happened yet so the 42 months hasn’t started. I agree that the injection matches the abomination but Revelation 13 could be dragged out over a longer time.
Pre-trib rapture, post-trib rapture, double raptures, 4yr & 3yr trib rapture rolled into one 7 year event. Roman catholic rapture version. We have tv shows, films & cartoons ALL MOCKING A SO CALLED RAPTURE.
Those worthy of the fathers salvation WILL BE TAKEN UP TO HEAVEN,
“BUT” When HE decides & when HE chooses.
TRUE BELIEF & LOVE in the Gospel, God the father, Jesus & the holy spirit. Plus the 10 commandments…. That’s to get things tarted…
(Forget the rumours)😌🙏
Love, peace & blessings Hugo, 💗🌟 as ALWAYS CHAMPION” of the TRIBE.
AMEN 🙏
What I believe and understand, is that all Born Again Christians by Gods GRACE, have already passed from death to life in Gods Holy Spirit, Once you believe, and put your trust and faith in the Gospel, given to the Apostle Paul, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, you are saved, and a new creature in the body of Christs Church, and will return with Christ in the Millennium, for which, there is no condemnation, for those who believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ according to the scriptures, and His blood atonement, for the redemption of our sins, you are sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise, How Then Will God Punish Himself, ITS IMPOSSIBLE, a Just and divine God sacrificed Himself for our Sins, His Gift His Eternal. and we deserve it not, yet He God, out of Great Mercy, should be the Lamb of God for the sacrifice of our sin`s.
an example here, that God can take you up at a blink of an eye. Is:
Enoch “walked with God: and he was no more; for God took him” (Gen 5:21–24),
When you believe and trust the Gospel, you are washed in the blood of Jesus Christ, God only sees a righteous person now, Has He did with ENOCH, all born again Christians to God are like Enoch, we maybe still in the flesh, but we have now inside us, a live spirit, and not a dead spirit, compared to the unbeliever, so when the rapture happens and it will, the 7 churches in revelation will know who they are, and those who believed on a different salvation, will then understand and realise the truth, and its these churches which will have to go through the tribulation.
NOT CHRIST`S CHURCH.
The rapture will occur shortly after, once the man of perdition is revealed 666, this I believe and understand, will be the trigger for the rapture, so hold onto your seats its going to be one heck of a ride.
This is only my interpretation; seek the Lord and He will lead you into all truth. God Bless Everyone.
Keep up the Good Work Hugo, you raise up good debate
Watch Brenda Weltners Video’s on youtube, she is a Berean and has taken a lot of time to explain the multi layers of truth found in the Bible
especially the Book of Revelation that relates to the Blessed Hope and the coming of the Lord. She explains and shows how the scriptures point to 3 seperate raptures, she explains who will be the ones on Earth following the first and who must endure even unto death after the 2nd. She also explains what the time of trouble is . You have nothing to lose, watch her video’s relating to the matter and pray the Holy Spirit gives you discernment and leads you into the truth.
Hugo, IF I am raptured, i will miss my patients and other loved ones terribly; and feel guilty about leaving them to face up to Jacob’s trouble. Prefer to be with them instead. Willing to accept martyrdom. Hope I have the choice…
Matthew 10:37-39 (NIV)
“Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
You need to pray and ask to be set free in your heart from inordinate love for this world and for those who would be a stumbling block to you, it is a work of the Holy Spirit to set things in their right order in our hearts, this doesn’t mean you won’t love others in fact you will find you fulfill the commandment of Jesus to love others but no one will usurp the first love we are called to have in our hearts, Jesus Christ our Saviour and Lord. In heaven we will all be brothers and sister their will be no marriage or seperate families we will all be one family.
All our tears will be wiped away and there will be no more pain or suffering once the Kingdom of God comes on Earth as it is in Heaven and don’t forget multitudes without number get saved after the 1st rapture. Some people who are not ready now will become ready to surrender to Jesus Christ after the 1st rapture and also during the great tribulation. All who come first or in the middle or before the end will all receive the same reward….Eternal life in Christ Jesus.
Just like the parable of the labourers sent into the vineyard the ones who went early and the ones who tarried and went at midday and the ones who refused at first but changed their minds and went at the end of the day all were paid the same amount, which some thought as being unfair and questioned it but the Lord cautioned them to be satisfied and leave those decisions to God..
Or fear of being raptured because they love their life in this world and want to cling to it. God knows our hearts and whatever we believe about it we should be so surrendered to the lord that we are ready come what may . It is not about wanting to escape suffering it is abput wanting to be with the Lord but being willing to occupy until He comes, one way or another ,whether we, live, die or are raptured.
don’t worry He is in charge and if He wants to rapture us He will. In the meantime, making fun of people who believe in the rapture seems to fall in line with satan. the gospel is foolishness afterall right?
Hugo.
If, as you say, these movies and books such as ‘Left Behind,’ ‘The Remaining.’ etc., are there to deceive us and to throw us off, how do you explain older movies such as ‘The Exorcist’ and ‘Rosemary’s Baby’? I mean, why would they have taught us that Satan is bad in these older movies if they want us to worship him?
When the devil offered to feed Jesus by turning rocks into bread, he was masquerading as one who wanted to do good–or as an angel of light.
‘For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.’ 2 Corinthians 11:13-14
Hollywood representation of Satan & Demon Possession is ridiculously exaggerated for a reason. Check out my video The Hollywood Horror Psyop https://hugotalks.com/2023/03/26/the-hollywood-horror-psyop-hugo-talks/
While the devil does in fact seduce many through deception, it is patently clear he was not “masquerading” in the desert as an agent of good. Rather, he was trying to capitalize on Jesus’ humanity and exhaustion as our Lord had assumed the physical form of a human being, subject to all the aches and pains of this world. He, the devil, was never going to fool the True Agent of Good, Jesus Christ. Any reader of the account in the desert understands this.
Regarding deception and seduction, I do believe that movies like the Exorcist and Rosemary’s Baby have this innate power that draws us to darkness. Just like in the garden, we are drawn to mysterious things we don’t quite understand as opposed to heeding our Father’s warnings or simply going to Him with our concerns. I won’t watch movies like these anymore as I truly believe we can invite evil into our lives through them, even if it is by changing our attitudes in the most subtle and imperceptible ways.
As far as mixed messages go, the devil is the author of confusion. We should expect nothing less. It is Christ, and He alone, who is our Rock.
With regard to the Pre-Trib Rapture, I used to believe it was nonsense since most “Christians” I knew, who did believe in it, seemed to be selfish and content with the world eroding around them at a faster, alarming rate. Even though I was and still am very flawed, I did not want to be like them in any way. I’ve always felt we should stand against evil, no matter how often we should fall.
Despite these feelings and frailties of mine, I knew that we children of the Light must seek out the Truth, so be assured. Indeed, Christ tells us in Luke that we should pray to be accounted worthy to escape the horrors of the end times. Also, in Revelation 3, it is the loyal Church of Philadelphia, in whom we should all aspire to reside, which escapes the hour of temptation that comes upon the world.
Paul tells us we are not appointed to wrath and, quite significantly, it is in Revelation 6 that, at the 6th Seal, the Wrath of the Lord is mentioned. Immediately after the world’s recognition of this, the beginning of Tribulation, John asks about the multitude of people mysteriously appearing in Heaven. He is told that they are those who came out of Tribulation. i.e. the rapture, as many would have it. In effect, the rapture and the tribulation occur, it would seem, simultaneously if not very close to one another.
Soon afterward, there is the sealing of the 144,000 who will carry God’s message in the end times. With the exception of Rev 12, which momentarily breaks apart the events as they unfold, the Book of Revelation is in chronological order.
I believe the four horseman, as part of the birth pangs, have been released upon the earth. The 5th Seal is close upon us if it has not already been opened.
I’ve seen many ridiculous comments here from “brave” people who think the idea of an escape is cowardice. It is not. It is the promise of a loving God who will gather His children and leave the worldly to their false gods so that the latter might finally open their otherwise closed eyes.
Courage and compassion are not mutually exclusive. And the bravest among us would not wish to see children and their loved ones undergo, not simply death, but damnation should they fail against the mark of the beast. Additionally, insofar as blessings go, what blessing would it be to endure the most horrible time on earth when it would seem that a natural death before all this would be a far greater blessing had not our Lord already provided for us. Whereas Noah and Lot could escape, there will be nowhere for us to go but our Father’s kingdom.
In the end, it is a faith in our Creator’s true nature, through the intervention of the Holy Spirit dwelling within us, that helps us discern the truth.
In Revelation 3:10 Christ promises the Church of Philadelphia (which seems to be a type of the true end-time church):
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
This seems to suggest that there will be a group of Christians who will not go through the tribulation. Of course, it doesn’t say that they will be caught up to heaven, but that would be one way of protecting them.
Elsewhere in Revelation 2:22 Christ promises that Jezebel, a false teacher in the Church of Thyatira (which many Protestants see as a type of the Roman Church):
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
This seems to suggest that some who profess to be Christians will go into the tribulation.
On the other hand, the thrashing floor seems to be used used as a type of the tribulation and the purpose of the thrashing floor was to separate the wheat (believers) from the chaff (unbelievers). And if the believers are all up in heaven, then why would there be a need for a tribulation?
The problem is that the Bible doesn’t explicitly say much about what is going to happen. It does have a lot of highly suggestive types which not everyone interprets the same way. A lot of the theories about what is going to happen are based on these types, so we can’t really be sure what will actually happen. It’s possible that the actual events will be more complicated than people expect. I would be very wary of anyone who claims to know exactly what is going to happen.
We should just keep spreading the Gospel and attempting to keep His commandments, praying, and waiting to see what happens.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
(Joh 5:28-29)
Excellent ■ Daniel 12 :1¶And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Revelation 19:19¶And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Doom of the Beast and False Prophet
20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Revelation 20:1¶And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4¶And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Well done Hugo. Thank you.
Whole theologies have been built on men’s opinions. A lot of nonsense is held with great passion.
Yet the only thing that matters is what the Lord has said. His word lasts for ever. Till the day we die, we are called to deny ourselves, to carry our cross and follow Him. Not the teachings of men.
I do believe in a god of love. Just listen to Jesus words.
And look at his work on the cross.
Al we suffer wil give us the crown.
The hard part wil be how we deal with our killers and tortures .this wil make us worthy serving our king.
The real action does not start until THE END of the first three and a half years, which I believe is much closer than most want you to know. At the end of the first three and a half years the antichrist is revelled at The Abomination and Desolation. No LIVING person is taken off the Earth until after Christ Jesus returns and only AFTER those required to make up the number of those under the alter is made right. That number is made up of the righteous people that are killed for refusing to worship the antichrist during Tribulation.
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4, 17
Those that REMAIN ALIVE AND RIGHTIOUS AFTER Tribulation will be taken up to the clouds with those already there. SO who are those already there?
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise FIRST:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4 13-18
If we examine Revelation 6:9-11 we see there are ALREADY righteous dead in Heaven, but they are told to WAIT until their number is made up. So who and the righteous dead under the alter waiting for? They are waiting for those that will be slain DURING TRIBULATION, those that refuse to worship the antichrist and are killed for it.
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 6:9-11
Why are they killed during Tribulation?
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Revelation 2, 9-10
This seems very depressing until we realise is if we repent to Christ Jesus and keep ourselves clean with The Commandments we will be taken care of. Those (alive) righteous remnant of Jacob will be taken to a place of safety and there they will be joined by those righteous Gentiles (Strangers) and kept safe by God.
1 For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
Isaiah 14, 1-4
Thanks Hugo,
No rapture, No 7 yr tribulation, No one-man Antichrist. Theses things have all been fulfilled over the past 2000 years; this Futuristist is eschatology originated, as you said, with the jesuits in an attempt to get the heat of Rome, the antichrist power all the reformers were pointing to.
So throwing pearls wants us to believe this wicked world is the kingdom of Christ? His “christ” must be satan then.
There is a lie called preterism which says all of Matthew 24 end times was fulfilled Jesus came back and the Bible is finished.
These heretics make this present evil world the “kingdom” of Christ. Much of Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 70AD, but not all.
Those who teach the Bible is ALL past or all future is all wrong. throw away the writings of Paul and throw away the book of Revelation and full preterism works. They will argue the Bible says “Shortly comes to pass?” means a few years in human terms. God does not think in human terms, they ignore the book of acts as well as the rest of the new testament.
So this present evil world is the “Kingdom” of Christ to you? How about EVERY EYE shall see him return? Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. IN THE CLOUDS?
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. A DAY OR TWO FOR THE LORD IS NOT LONG AT ALL. Shortly come to pass
They want you to think the Lord returned in glory. Paul proves they are LIARS.
Preterism: the belief that ALL prophecy of the Bible is past.
Acts 1:11 “Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”
After the resurrection Jesus appeared to the apostles and was taken into heaven.
Matthew 24:30 “And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”
Umm when did Jesus appear coming in the clouds? I missed that event.
Revelation 1:7 “Behold, he (Christ) cometh with clouds; and EVERY EYE every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.”
Did your eyes see Christ come? Me neither – so it has to be future.
When Holywood promotes something you know to believe the opposite. WHEN IS THE RAPTURE / RESURRECTION?
In Revelation 20:4-6 the last book of the Bible there are only 2 more FUTURE Resurrections (Raptures) spoken of: (after the 2 witnesses appear)
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the FIRST RESURRECTION. or rapture
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the SECOND DEATH hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
In the above scriptures, these are the Martyrs. John said “this is the first resurrection.” John didn’t say this is the “second phase of the first resurrection,” as pre-tribbers claim.
If this is the FIRST resurrection, can there be a resurrection before this one? Of course not, unless you want to ADD to the bible which is forbidden!
The First Resurrection is of the dead in Christ and the Second is after 1000 years. Paul wrote that the Dead in Christ MUST rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 …and the dead in Christ shall RISE FIRST
17 THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them…
In Rev. 20:4-5, John sees the souls of Saints who were BEHEADED for refusing the Mark of the Beast during the Great Tribulation. John writes that they will rise and reign with Christ for 1000 years and that this is the FIRST RESURRECTION!
If according to John, the beheaded rise in the FIRST resurrection and Paul said those who are alive and remain are not caught up until AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected, then this means the catching up or rapture takes place AFTER tribulation! (read this again until you GET IT)
Now compare the above with 1 CORINTHIANS 15:20-23:
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first-fruits of those who slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; AFTERWARDS THOSE WHO ARE CHRIST’S AT HIS COMING.
Notice only one resurrection of the dead in Christ is mentioned here! Which, according to Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 must take place BEFORE we who are alive and remain are “caught up” with them!
When did Jesus say the dead in Christ would be resurrected?
John 6:39-40: Jesus said, “This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up ON THE LAST DAY.
John 6:44: Jesus said, “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up ON THE LAST DAY.”
Is the LAST DAY the thousand year reign of Christ?
I believe so….then it is eternity and time is counted no more
So if Jesus himself said the dead in Christ will be raised on the LAST DAY, and Paul said we who are alive and remain will not be caught up (raptured) until AFTER the dead are raised, then where does secret pre-trib rapture fit in?
Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:52 – In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?
In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the END end of the tribulation. there is not a 7th last trump prior to the tribulation.
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed, (52) in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Revelation 10:7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then is finished the mystery of God, according to the good tidings which he declared to his servants the prophets.
This is what happens down the religion rabbit hole, the constant disagreement on what is the Truth. The constant twisting on words and personnel beliefs all to what ends, to serve a creator , really for what reason? It seems the human race need to have all the answers and if there isn’t one they will create one and then spend their time convincing others.Take a long look at life and you can see it.
Believing a false prophecy like the pre trib rapture will cause many to believe Jesus was a false prophet and accept the “Jews” messiah the antichrist as the messiah and take his mark 666. What will happen to pre tribbers faith when they find they must die for Christ like millions did before them when they were told this would not happen?
Why is when the rapture / resurrection a hotly contested thing? It was not even debated until 200 years ago. Look into the lives of those who promoted this doctrine, like C.I. Scofield and you might consider this very suspect. Jesus said by their fruit ye shall know them.
Jesus tells us plainly in Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed (weeds) tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST first the TARES (WEEDS) tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
(first the tares WEEDS get gathered, then the wheat last) could it be any more plain than this?) Did Jesus mess up the timing of end time events? pre tribbers seem to think so.
Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Matthew 24:29-31:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
There is only ONE a second coming of Jesus. I once believed in the hype about a pre-trib rapture but then I read the Bible more; researched who pushed this doctrine; and learnt to listen to God.
The pre-trib rapture is a satanic lie. It’s demonic in origin. It’s being pushed by those deceived.
There is no seven year trib. We’ve been in tribulation since Jesus’s resurrection.
There is no physical mark- it’s spiritual.
Stop believing all the sensationalist nonsense. Read GK Beale’s study on Revelation and the biblical symbolism.
Yes, the elite monsters might be orchestrating what, to many, appear to be prophesies – like a third temple being built, but they’re just trying to mess with the evangelicals heads. And, it’s working!!!
X
If the mark is spiritual, how is it used to determine who can buy and sell during the end times, or prove who worships the beast? I’ve asked this many times of those who say the mark is spiritual, but I never get any answer.
Oz, read Isaiah 55/1-2
To me, it is biblically sound that the mark was spiritual in nature as the Bible talks of marks and seals in a supernatural way, but, I too, could not understand the buying and selling part. Then I read about someone’s take on Isaiah 55. I cannot for the life of me remember where I read it but it started to make sense to me.
I do think the elite will insist on some sort of technological mark but I believe that’s to sow confusion and fear. I am not 100% sure though so I would NOT take anything that felt wrong or was an affront to God.
It’s just how I look at it all. Might be way off the mark…no pun intended.
It has been very important for those who deceive and mislead to distort the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 because it predicts exactly when Jesus would appear, when he would die for mankind and when the message of the Kingdom of God would go out to the whole world.
“Know therefore and vnderstand, that from the going foorth of the commandement to restore and to build Ierusalem, vnto the Messiah the Prince, shall be seuen weekes; and threescore and two weekes, the street shall be built againe, and the wall, euen in troublous times.”
– Daniel 9 25
We need to look for a commandement to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem.
The commandement which most correctly answers to the specifications of Daniel 9:25 was the decree of Artaxerxes to Ezra, recorded in Ezra chapter 7.
It was issued in the year 457 BC.
A week according to this prophecy is seven years, which means that 69 weeks equals 483 years.
Since there is no year zero, this means that the 69 weeks ran until the year 27 AD.
457 BC + 483 (69 weeks) = 27 AD
Jesus was born in 4 BC and in 27 AD he was 30 years of age when he was baptized, annointed,
“Now when all the people were baptized, and it came to passe that Iesus also being baptized, and praying, the heauen was opened:And the holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a Doue vpon him, and a voice came from heauen, which said, Thou art my beloued sonne, in thee I am well pleased.
And Iesus himselfe began to be about thirty yeeres of age”
– Luke 3:21-23
According to Daniel 9:25, it would take 483 years (69 weeks) from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince. This commandment of Artaxerxes fulfils this verse as Messiah the Prince appeared in 27 AD.
“And hee shall confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the midst of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease”
– Daniel 9:27
In “the midst of the weeke” means three and a half years later. That was 31 AD.
It was the year that Jesus was crucified and his death constituted the final and perfect blood sacrifice to which all other sacrifices had previously pointed and thus perfected and ended all sacrifices.
And The Hebrew calendar for the year 31 AD shows us that there were two Sabbath days in the week that Jesus died. The High Sabbath The Feast of Unleavened Bread began at twilight on the 15th day of Nisan.
Nisan 15 that year was a Wednesday. That leaves room for Jesus being dead for three WHOLE days and three WHOLE nights.
reading some of the comments here, So many people think the rapture is nonsense, when Holly wood makes a movie, they are always topics taken from the Bible, for the Bible mentions, witches, warlocks, astrologers, taro readers, dragons, serpents, devils, I could go on, all these are mentioned in the Bible, so when Holly Wood makes a film about the rapture its going to be anti-God and is mentioned in the Bible, everyone in this rapture movie left behind is suffering lose and blaming God, everything Satan does copies what God does to some extent, Holly Wood wants everyone to think the rapture is a bad thing, but to the true Born Again Christian, it is a marvellous thing to happen, when Jesus Christ claims His price possession, which is all those who believed in the Gospel given to the Apostle Paul.
Galatians 1:12
“For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”
This is why everyone ignores Paul, and turns to the other Apostles, its the same when it comes to the rapture, when its clear as day.
People seem to want to just keep adding something, instead of just accepting everything Jesus has done on our behalf.
God commands everyone to be saved, but it`s up to the individual to accept the free gift God offers everyone.
Matthew Chapter 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: …..
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Luke 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see,…
Jesus spoke in parables to hide things from the wicked. Not everyone has the offer of salvation as the Lord hated Esau
Malachi 1:3 “And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.”
Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.
Oh my, my, my… Where in the bible exactly says that some ‘chosen’ are going to escape tribulations? If during those tribulations Jesus was going to take those ‘chosen’ in the air, then why on earth Jesus said that the days will be shortened for the sake of the ‘elect’? Why would Jesus say that only those who persevere TILL THE END, will be saved? [this passage also demolishes the heretical idea that one is ‘already saved’].
Thessalonians 4:17 & Matthew 24:29-31 describes the day where Jesus is going to judge the entire world, and those who survived tribulations and will be considered saved on that day, will join all the souls that were already in heaven since the beginning of time… those believers who are alive during Christ’s second coming will not experience death, but rather, will be gloriously transformed and join the saints already with Christ. Those who survived tribulation and will be condemned by Jesus on that day, will be thrown into the lake of fire, together with all those who were already in hell since the beginning of time. So this ‘rapture’ will happen on the day of the Second Coming of Jesus, when Jesus will judge the entire world… never before this!!!
Guys, the theory of a ‘rapture’ is a recent one; if I’m not mistaken it was fabricated in the 18th century, but only grew in popularity in the 20th century, thanks to the [heretical] so-called ‘tv evangelists’ in America. This would have been news to christians—both catholic and protestant—living prior to the 18th century, since the concept of a pretribulation Rapture was unheard of prior to that time. Vague notions had been considered by the puritan preachers Increase (1639-1723) and Cotton Mather (1663-1728), and the late eighteenth century baptist minister Morgan Edwards, but it was John Nelson Darby who solidified the belief in the 1830s and placed it into a larger theological framework.
Everyone will have to face tribulations and remember that throughout the centuries, christianity grew thanks to the blood of the martyrs.
As with most things protestants, the devil has fooled them into a false sense of security; he doesn’t want you to be alert, he doesn’t want you to focus on your sins… for what if you are ‘already saved’? Why persevere? Why be alert? The devil doesn’t even want you to ask forgiveness to God regarding your sins – God forgives our sins indeed, but only if we ask forgiveness!!!
Tribulations will be a period of purification… everything that doesn’t come from God at the end of tribulations, will be erased.
The devil doesn’t want you to be ready to face these troubling times coming our way very fast, and when I say ready, I mean spiritually ready.
God isn’t interested in saving bodies, but souls!!!
Those who believe in a pre-tribulation ‘rapture’ are going to have the shock of their lives… poor souls!!!
Sign me up too! But it’s not Biblical. Though “Daniel’s 70 week’s” is basically repeated by John in Rev.
Jesus said Christian’s would go though The Tribulation. (Not tribulation) He has said may prophecies, many thing’s that have not happened yet. This is one reason why there will be a “Falling Away, Great Apostacy.”
Kirk Cameron was the original “Left Behind” actor. He was Christian, when he was acting in that film. He has changed his views to Post-trib. Which is why Nick Cage was in the re-hashes.
Love how much you are quoting scripture. Bell’s ringing in my head. Thanks Hugo.
I believe that there is no rapture BEFORE the horrible day of the lord when the wrath of God is poured out. I believe true believer’s will be taken at Jesus second coming and will not have to endure God’s wrath but WILL have to endure all the terrible stuff that will/has happened before that point in time.
I also believe that an “alien deception” (i.e., project blue beam) will be used to hide the “rapture” of the saints to deceive those who are “left behind”. The alien deception will be sold to those “left behind” as people who needed to be “taken” because they were holding back the “evolution” of mankind so the all knowing and all wise “aliens” took them “off planet” so that earth and its inhabitants can “evolve”. The aliens will then probably say that those taken have been “reeducated” and will shortly be returned or some silly nonsense like that so as not to cause a panic. This explanation will allow a new religion and a new world order to come in. This may also keep many “left behind” from repenting and finding salvation during God’s wrath.
I also believe that we are already much further through the end times prophesied events than MOST have even considered. As this discussion on this blog proves, Satan has had 2000 years to lie and deceive mankind into making all kinds of false “interpretations”. AND Hollyweird has sensationalized the end times so that most having not the eyes to see will NOT see what is happening.
I wish we true believers were not going to have to endure all that is coming, but wishes aren’t going to stop God’s plan.
What Christian YouTube-channels are you referring to, Hugo?
I know very little about Christian YT-channels at least the larger, of which you are the only one i follow, and AoC Network and a American girl named Mia.
Sounds like “Christian One” is channel you mentioned now.
Rapture is however a red flag and I am glad that you reacted. It is from the little i know about it the worst possible way to prepare for what is ahead of now.
Always, really always, appreciate your videos!
God Bless You!
Why I still believe there will be a rapture, is because we are still in the church period of Apostle Paul, and is Under GRACE. No works, all those who believe the Gospel are saved, and will be claimed and caught-up by Jesus Christ on the day, on the hour, on the minute, on the second, snatched out of the World. Then begins the Tribulation, and Jacobs Troubles as God turns His attention back to His Chosen and Special People the Jews.
Ephesians 1:11-14
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
This is what the spilling of Jesus Christ blood done, when he was crucified for the debt of our sins.
Its an upfront payment for your soul Amen.
Dictionary Meaning redemption
NOUN
the action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil:
“God’s plans for the redemption of his world”
SIMILAR:
saving
vindication
absolution
saving/freeing from sin
a thing that saves someone from error or evil:
the action of regaining or gaining possession of something in exchange for payment, or clearing a debt:
“The peasants found the terms of redemption unattractive”
SIMILAR:
retrieval
recovery
reclamation
repossession
recoupment
ARCHAIC
the action of buying one’s freedom:
“Soldiers who were captured had to seek redemption” · “serfs began paying redemption dues”
Ephesians 1:9
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Graham believes Scofield and Larkin dispensations. Darby’s family, that great “Christian”, pre trib scholar owned Leap castle in Ireland reported to be the most haunted castle in the land. Birds of a feather.
Scofield who popularized the rapture in the USA cheated his mother in law out of her life savings and never repaid her. Supposedly he got “saved” in prison.
For all you Scofield lovers – get out your zionist Scofield Bible and read
1 John 5:7 “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
Scofield footnote “O” says this verse has no real Biblical authority – in other words it does not belong in the Bible….
He was a charlatan and pseudo Bible scholar and you trust his pre trib rapture notes and dispensational theology?
He never paid a penny of support to his kids? both daughters said that and the Bible says in the mouths of 2 or 3 witnesses let everything be established.
He went to jail for swindling his mother in law of her life savings and NEVER paid her back even when he made big money with the bible sales. WHY did he never repay them? Why did he leave his wife and kids penniless?
Scofield’s daughter and wife begged him to help them and he did nothing. Scofield made big money off his fake bible and did nothing for his kids.
1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own [family], and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. The Bible says Scofield was an infidel.
No, it was UNGODLY people too lazy to study the bible who ignored his sins and filled those “churches” .
that is why harry potter outsells the “bible” today
When Hollywood makes movies about “LEFT BEHIND” you better check your theology.
Read Jesus in Matthew 13:30 when he said in the parable of the wheat and the tares or weeds get TAKEN FIRST.
So did Jesus get mistaken about the rapture timing?
Scofraud dumped his wife and kids and never gave them a penny in support per his own 2 daughters. 1 Timothy 5:8 “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” Scofraud is an infidel per the Bible. Oh and he swindled his mother in law out of her life savings and never paid her back when his perverted Bible sold millions of copies and he could have done so. Only fools trust Bible scholarship from infidels.
I use the King James Bible (KJV) authorised version only, for my Bible study, Ive never studied any other dispensations, and Ive never heard of Scofield and Larkin, I dont study different dispensations, I only ever refer to the King James Version (KJV) Bible, trying to Understand the Word of God, and I believe on the Word of God to be true, and I dont dismiss other people’s interpretations of scripture, I compare it to what is written in the King James Bible for my doctrine, and understanding. I don`t put my faith in what a man says or claims, I put my faith in what the Bible speaks to me. God Bless you Chaplain Bob Walker.
you had to have learned dispensations and the rapture from outside the Bible from “preachers” who taught it. there is no church age and then the tribulation, even if you do not know what it is called. Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:52 – In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?
In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the END end of the tribulation. there is not a 7th last trump prior to the tribulation.
Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 – I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. and….
Jesus in Revelation 3:9 “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.” If one wants to believe the antichrists who reject Jesus are Israel, so be it.
Rapture come from the Greek word rapio. It means to be caught up. Violently snacthed away. It says ‘and the last trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised incorruptable.’ Then those that are still alive will be caught up to join them. So there will be a rapio but it will be at the last trumpet. The last trumpet is at the end of the tribulation.
Correct about the trumpets. I want to help you avoid confusing other people or giving liars a way to attack your message. Rapture is from Latin rapturo, the Greek word for caught up is harpazō Strongs G726. The Latin Vulgate was the Roman Catholic Church text.
You mean the Dr Chuck Missler who worked for defense contractors and military intelligence? Associated with heretical Calvary Chapel?
The one who was sued and lost for plagiarizing a book by an antichrist new ager? This is in his book ” Magog Invasion ”
from Dr. Yamauchi, a new ager. If they are popular and famous you know they are heretics.
Missler is associated with Hal Lindsey, a pre tribber fibber. How about read the King James Bible and ignore famous “preachers”
what does zionism have to do with it? is this an anti-semite thing? I love Hal Lindsey! He is still preaching. The one I DON”T like is Billy Graham. But maybe I have read too many Chick Tracts. we all seem to have our bias’s I guess. I love Isreal, I am pro life and believe in the rapture. so sue me.
One reason to believe there could be a pre-tribulation rapture is that the church (the bride of Christ) is not subject to God’s wrath and the 7 year trib period is God’s wrath / judgement poured out on the earth/ungodly. The saints in that time are the ‘Tribulation saints’ those who get saved by refusing the mark of the beast. (Yes, a different category of saints).
There were rapture ‘types’ in the old testment, where Lot was taken out of sodom by the angels before judgement fell, Enoch was taken up to God before the flood (judgement). Noah was preserved through the flood (like Israel will be in tribulation).
If you read Genesis 18, the Lord said to Abraham that he would not destroy a city if 10 righteous men were in it, hence God will have to remove the righteous before judgement otherwise He risks contradicting His word??
The belief in the rapture is a non-essential doctrine and one that usually cause arguments, as we see in the comments section. There is no point debating it, the most important thing is whether you are saved or not.
What I would say is that we should not condemn our own brothers and sisters for their interpretations of non-essential doctrines. If there is a rapture – great! If not – then we have to get our head cut off when we refuse the mark of the beast. No stress.
I do question why it is called the ‘blessed hope’ if we have to go through 7 years of hell on earth where virtually nobody survives at the end!? Not much hope there really is there?
YOU WILL KNOW when Christ returns at the end, as there is a specific day count from the abomination in the mid-point by the AC, (Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is he who waits and arrives at the 1,335 days).
BUT as for the rapture it says that ‘no man knows the day or the hour’ – so it must refer to a different time!?
He will take His bride home as in Isaiah 26:
19 (resurrection of the dead) Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20 (Rapture of those alive at the time) Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. (Tribulation period).
God bless us all. Let us stay kind, loving and pure in the way we treat each member of our family in Christ.
It all boils down to money. IF Pastors preach suffering & persecution (like the Bible teaches) and maybe die for the faith, the church shall be almost empty and less people = less tithe money.
IF you preach pre trib rapture and no suffering you get more people = more tithe money. Read the book of acts as the Christians DIED FOR THEIR FAITH. Read the rest of the Bible while you are at it. pre tribbers deny that the day of the Lord and the day of Christ are the same event, thus they are essentially denying that Jesus Christ is LORD.
Pre tribber pastors also LIE to plant this false doctrine so you either lose your faith when you are LEFT BEHIND OR you take the mark of the beast thinking it is not the mark since it is impossible to be here for the mark since they are sure pre trib is true and they will not be here.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and there are 7 trumps in Revelation and the 7th one is the LAST ONE and is at the END OF THE TRIBULATION. Christians are killed by the Devil’s followers and pre tribbers LIE and say oh that is God’s wrath and we are not subject to God’s wrath as it seems they always LIE – in the days of Noah it was the WICKED who were TAKEN and Noah was LEFT BEHIND.?
Chaplain Bob Walker. Reading your comments makes me sad. You seem more concerned about venting almost hatred for your brothers and sisters in Christ who believe in a different interpretation of the scriptures than you do, than speaking about the love of Christ and what a wonderful thing it is to be saved. You would be far better off telling the unsaved about the Gospel. As regarding the rapture, or if indeed if there is a rapture, is not something that will determine where you are going to spend eternity. You are wasting time. Also calling your brothers ungodly etc is not a position that you should take. Every child of God is precious, He shed His sinless blood for each and every one of us as though we were the only one in the whole world. You obviously feel very strongly about your opinion, but that’s what it is, an opinion, an opinion about something that is not essential to the determining of your eternal destination. All you are doing is harming the message of Jesus.
You are right I hate false prophets who promote false prophecies. the pre trib rapture lie is not a simple difference of opinion of was Jesus born on a monday or on a friday. Zondervan, the largest printer of Bibles in the English speaking world, is owned by Harper Collins that prints gay porn and the satanic bible of the church of satan. their parent company is known to us as the Fox network.
Yes I hate evil and their lies.
Hollywood is a dangerous place to get your Bible knowledge from. Do you know what to do IF you are LEFT BEHIND?
Nicolas Cage did Ghost Rider, a flaming skeleton, and the movie LEFT BEHIND. Church goers who call themselves “Christians” are ignorant of what the Bible teaches.
Does the movie Left Behind faithfully teach what happens from the Holy Bible?
the flood of Noe or Noah’s day is used for the text for the rapture or who is taken and left behind
Luke 17:26 – And as it was in the days of [Noah] Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
* Noe is the Greek rendering of Noah. The New Testament was written in Greek.
Luk 17:27 – They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
[Who was taken and who was left behind?]
The wicked were taken and the righteous were left behind
Luk 17:28 – Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luk 17:29 – But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
[Who was taken and who was left behind?]
Luk 17:30 – Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
The Director of Left Behind is Vic Armstrong
Written by Jerry B. Jenkins (based on his novel), Tim LaHaye and with actors: Nicolas Cage, Lea Thompson and others
John 6:39-40: Jesus said, “This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up ON THE LAST DAY.
John 6:44: Jesus said, “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up ON THE LAST DAY.”
So if Jesus himself said the dead in Christ will be raised on the LAST DAY, and Paul said we who are alive and remain will not be caught up (raptured) until AFTER the dead are raised, then where does secret pre-trib rapture fit in?
1 Cor 15:52 – In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?
In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the end of the tribulation
I do not think any (or many) on this forum beleive in a “secret pre-trib rapture” yet you continue to bash and bash anyone who “thinks” that there will be a rapture at some time and most on this forum think that the rapture is “pre-wrath” and none have ever said it was “secret” . So quit your bashing as you are bashing people for holding an interpretation that none (or few) on this forum are even holding.
God bless you, Christian. I have zero doubt that the rapture is pre-Tribulation. The born again church age saints who have died have been in heaven, but they will rise from their graves wherever their DNA is to receive their glorified bodies, and then we who are alive and remain will receive ours so that we can fly up to heaven without dying just as Elijah. I have been watching daily for over six years since my first dream on 3/16/2017, and I have delivered messages from Jesus and rapture songs the Holy Spirit wrote and several rapture dreams. The birth pains are intense, and the church is going to be snatched out of here in the nick of time- any day any hour. A gospel tract/left behind letter that I have given out over 5,000 here in Atlanta and have friends in other cities giving them out is on my community page, and I was told by the Holy Spirit to go to four showings of Left Behind: Rise of the Antichrist movie in January and there I met others who know the rapture is going to happen. I did two videos about it, and one was a 14 year old girl who had just had a rapture dream two weeks before and told- Revelation 3:11. Maranatha!
Walking by the Spirit Always must believe the antichrists are going to become believers…in the tribulation.
Jesus in Revelation 3:9 “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”
1 John 2:22 – Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.)
1 John 2:23 – Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah? SATAN?
1 Corinthians 16:22 – If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.
DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?
Bon wrote “Walking by the Spirit Always must believe the antichrists are going to become believers…in the tribulation.”
where did Walking say anything about the antichrists becoming believers? Or did I miss something?
There are billions of people walking the earth right now who are not antichrists, they are just unaware and more likely than not they are atheists. I do not condone atheism but in the world where God has been [intentionally] hidden how are these atheist going to find God? I may be wrong but someone who does not know God is not necessarily an anti Christ.
It is so easy to band scriptures about, tieing them together to make them say what you want them to say. Nicky Gumbel who helped develop the famous Alpha Course, warned about this. He did a very amusing thing where he talks of a guy who opens his bible at a random places to find out what God’s will is for himself. He opens it up at 3 random places and reads a verse from each place, joins them together, and what he ends up with is something like ‘Do all of the words which I have spoken- Judas fell headlong -Go and do likewise ‘ A silly example, but you get my point. We all come at the bible with tainted eyes and ears. Yes Jesus has made us The Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, Cleansing us by His blood, but our feet need washing daily as we walk through the mire of this fallen world. We, none of us, have it all together. We bring with us our own perceptions, from our upbringings, and experiences. Our prejudices and our flesh. We are broken vessels that God is mending little by little. ‘We see through a glass darkly’ So we need to pray for one another but also for ourselves, as we can often get in the way, and before we know it we’re acting like pharisees , splitting hairs over things that aren’t essential.
There is a dieing world out there. A world that looks at Christians and doesn’t like what it sees, and who can totally blame them. We should be recognised by our love for one another. Jesus sat and ate with sinners, not grudgingly, but gladly. Let’s shine for Jesus while there is still time. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that I haven’t felt frustrated at things I’ve read on the Internet, who hasn’t? And responded in a wrong manner. But, let’s try and remember, we’re not called to vain arguments, but to tell people that God loves them and made a way for them to have a relationship with Him, Father and child together at last, with no sin separating them, through Jesus’ outstretched arms.
It is so easy to band scriptures about, tieing them together to make them say what you want them to say. Nicky Gumbel who helped develop the famous Alpha Course, warned about this. He did a very amusing thing where he talks of a guy who opens his bible at a random places to find out what God’s will is for himself. He opens it up at 3 random places and reads a verse from each place, joins them together, and what he ends up with is something like ‘Do all of the words which I have spoken- Judas fell headlong -Go and do likewise ‘ A silly example, but you get my point. We all come at the bible with tainted eyes and ears. Yes Jesus has made us The Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, Cleansing us by His blood, but our feet need washing daily as we walk through the mire of this fallen world. We, none of us, have it all together. We bring with us our own perceptions, from our upbringings, and experiences. Our prejudices and our flesh. We are broken vessels that God is mending little by little. ‘We see through a glass darkly’ So we need to pray for one another but also for ourselves, as we can often get in the way, and before we know it we’re acting like pharisees , splitting hairs over things that aren’t essential.
There is a dying world out there. A world that looks at Christians and doesn’t like what it sees, and who can totally blame them. We should be recognised by our love for one another. Jesus sat and ate with sinners, not grudgingly, but gladly. Let’s shine for Jesus while there is still time. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that I haven’t felt frustrated at things I’ve read on the Internet, who hasn’t? And responded in a wrong manner. But, let’s try and remember, we’re not called to vain arguments, but to tell people that God loves them and made a way for them to have a relationship with Him, Father and child together at last, with no sin separating them, through Jesus’ outstretched arms.
Hugo Talks 
False. Study…. The body of Christ will be caught up first. Anything other than the catching up (“rapture”) BEFORE Daniel’s 70th week is Roman Catholic doctrine (see catechism 675). The true catching up destroys romanism. The false “pre wrath” teaching was only first postulated by Marvin Rosenthal in 1990 and is also easily refuted by scripture.
Arguments below….please use the KJV or textus receptus equivalent as new versions come from the vatican, see Nestle Aland / UBS novum testamentum graece 27th edition page 45 for proof.
It’s called the time of Jacob’s trouble and concerns Israel and Judah. Jer 30: 4-7
See 2 kings 17: 34
There are no references to the church in scripture during the tribulation period. Revelation 4: 22 etc.
The church is promised exemption from divine wrath. 1 thess 1: 10 ; Rom 5: 9 ; Rev 3: 10
The catching up is a comfort. 1 thess 4: 18
The antichrist cannot come to power until he who letteth is removed. 2 thess 2: 7
Refering to the body of Christ.
God does not pour out judgement on righteous people. Genesis 18:25 (KJV) That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked …
See 2 peter 2: 5 etc
There are saints in heaven, wearing crowns, before the tribulation period starts. These crowns are given at the judgement seat of Christ (rom 14: 10).
Converts in the tribulation period are living in another dispensation. Rev 14: 12
Church age believers cannot be placed in a situation where it’s possible to take the mark of the beast because we are sealed with the Spirit until the day of redemption Eph 4: 30 and guaranteed salvation John 10: 29
Nothing can separate us from the love of God, Romans 8: 38-39 yet taking the mark of the beast clearly will do just that, revelation 14: 9-11.
Without the mark of the beast (rev 13: 16) nobody can buy or sell but a christian must provide for his family (1 tim 5: 8) so if the church were on earth in the time of Jacob’s trouble, what is a christian to do? God is not the author of confusion 1 Cor 14: 33
The resurrection of the dead was already revealed by Jesus in John 11: 25-26 before it was revealed to Paul who wrote 1 Corinthians and 1 Thessalonians. Why then did Jesus not mention the dead being resurrected in Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17 + 21..? Because there are two separate events: the catching up of the church and the 2nd advent of Christ.
Why did Paul never warn the church against taking the mark of the beast?
For example in 2 tim 3:1 etc there is no mention of it while he does mention perilous times in the last days.
The angels preaching the gospel in Revelation 14: 6-9 cannot be preaching to the church because they’d be cursed according to Galatians 1: 8. See also Revelation 14: 12 : to be saved people in that dispensation must have the faith of Jesus AND keep the commandments of God.
In this time period (dispensation) we are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3: 28.
In revelation 7 this is not true for the 144000.
See also Galatians 6: 15
Ephesians 5:29-30 (KJV) For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
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I grew up in a pretribber church but after researching and amassing all the scripture on the subject I had to humbly repent of the false teaching I once believed!:
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I am so upset that I fell for the lie. It never felt right to me, but I fell for the sensationalist hype.
I lost a lot of respect for that satanic lie.
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Thankfully we are all on a learning curve away from leaven and toward the unleavened truth!:
1 Corinthians 5:7-8 Purge out the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, even as ye are unleavened. For our passover also hath been sacrificed, even Christ: (8) wherefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
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Thank you Edward, I pray Hugo humbles himself and allows the Holy Spirit to actually lead him in all truths rather than thinking his opinions are better than God’s biblical doctrines.
Isaiah 26:19-21 perfect OT example of the Rapture.
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Spot on Edwin 🥹👍💕
Blessings to you 🙏
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Amen brother.
Titus 2:13 – the Rapture is our blessed hope. “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour, Jesus Christ”. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 – Paul speaking of the Rapture tells us to “comfort one another with these words”.
How can we comfort one another, if all we have to look forward to is how are we going to avoid taking the Mark of the Beast, and the total enslavement of every individual that is planned, and how can it be our “blessed hope”?
There are many typologies in Scripture that speak of the Rapture for those who have a hunger for God’s Word and have a willing heart and mind to search the Scriptures to see for themselves.
For example, Noah and his family were hidden in the Ark before the Great Flood started. (Genesis 6), and also the removal of Lot (Genesis 19) and his family before the judgement on Sodom and Gomorrah is a typology of how the Bride of Christ will be removed before the judgement on a Christ rejecting world during the tribulation. Also Enoch was raptured as was prophet Elijah.
Isaiah 26 is also very interesting and speaks of the rapture: “ 26:20, 21 – “come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thy self as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be over past. For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the Earth for their iniquity:…“.
This is a clear reference to the rapture of the church, the indignation being the great tribulation during which God pours out His wrath on a Christ rejecting world. (See Revelation 6-19).
See the parallel with Noah and his family hidden in the Ark before God’s judgment on a wicked world that led to the Great Flood.
There is some fantastic teaching on the rapture and how bible prophecy is being fulfilled, because Daniel 12:4 says that as the last days advance, scripture will become clearer to understand and that God will give more understanding and revelation into scripture which he is doing now. “But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book even to the time of the end: …”
Check out a channel on YouTube called Generation 24:34 this is named after Matthew 24:34, Dr. Andy Woods, Dr. Chuck Missler, and many others who teach from Scripture the certainty of the soon coming pre-tribulation Rapture.
Ireneaus, one of the earliest Church Fathers, who learnt the apostles’ doctrine from Polycarp who was directly taught by the apostle John, writes on the pre-tribulation rapture. Check on a channel called Soothkeep with Lee Brainerd who recently taught on what the Church Fathers taught on the Rapture.
We should be like the Bereans, who “received the Word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so”:
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Matthew 24:37 – But as the days of Noe (Noah) were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 – For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 – And knew not until the flood came, and took (WHO?) them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (the WICKED WERE TAKEN)
Mat 24:40 – Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41 – Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:42 – Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
The WICKED were TAKEN and Noah was LEFT BEHIND at the end of the flood.
Luke 17:26 – And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
The WICKED were TAKEN and Noah was LEFT BEHIND
1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
The WICKED were TAKEN FIRST and Noah was LEFT BEHIND
Luke 17:27 – They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Luke 17:28 – Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Lot was left behind – the wicked were taken
Luke 17:29 – But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luke 17:30 – Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2 Peter 2:12 – But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken TAKEN and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
So do pre tribber preachers lie and make the Bible say the opposite of what it means?
Do we want to be taken or left behind?
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The blessed hope is Jesus not some fanciful science fiction lie
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@Chaplain Bob Walker
I have heard that argument and it certainly makes sense.
However, for that to be true, i.e., the evil are taken (removed) and the saints “left behind”, that separating could not happen until ALL of the “end times” have played out, no? Which means the saints will not escape ANY of the end time tribulation, if your interpretation is correct.
So how do we interpret all the other scriptures that says pray that you be found “worthy” to escape all these things to come (don’t know which scripture that is) along with all the others that Edwin Dekker has cited.
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Was Noah taken or left behind after the flood? Was Lot taken or left behind after sodom was burned? Was Daniel delivered in the Lion’s den? Were the 3 Hebrew men delivered from the fiery furnace in Babylon? Was that deliverance you are asking about? 11 of the 12 original apostles DIED FOR THE FAITH. Stephen died for the faith. Paul died for the faith as did many of the prophets. When those of revelation 20 are beheaded is this the wrath of God or of the devil? Read Hebrews 11 sometime and see what true believers went thru. If you are too good to face persecution for the Lord, become a Buddhist or something
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Chaplin Bob,
You are not answering my question and have only denigrated me and projected your insecurities on me when you said “If you are too good to face persecution for the Lord, become a Buddhist or something”
IF the believers are the ones left behind AND the evil are taken, then that means it is the believer’s who will have to endure ALL the tribulation AND all of God’s wrath and NOT the other way around. So when do you think this “separating” of the wheat and tares is going to happen? At the very end of all prophesies? AND how are the believers going to survive God’s wrath or are they all going to perish?
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Read Revelation 12 and give you a hint: the church is the woman, the bride of Christ. Christians being killed by the world is NOT THE WRATH OF GOD. God’s wrath is poured out on the world for their killing his bride and disobedience.
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@Grace Wise
When someone’s ‘knowledge’ of The Bible starts with two errors.
‘Titus 2:13 – the Rapture is our blessed hope. “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour, Jesus Christ”.
No
‘1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 – Paul speaking of the Rapture tells us to “comfort one another with these words”.’
and no
First Titus
Titus was a Gentile and outside God’s family until by God’s grace ALL people were offered a CHANCE of salvation by Christ Jesus removing The Physical Covenant at his death, The Physical Covenant that was ONLY GIVEN TO THE JEWS making them, and ONLY them God’s family with the guidance required to remain in Gods family being The Commandments.
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
(Suddenly by the grace of God the means to salvation has come to ALL MEN)
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
(Now the PHYSICAL COVENANT or mark of circumcision is removed Christ Jesus is teaching The Commandments to all, those Commandments once only given to the Jews to keep themselves clean and righteous)
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
(Christ Jesus is now The hope of salvation TO ALL MEN)
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
(Christ Jesus taking all the sins of the Gentiles that were built up from Adam because they were NEVER given a covenant or the means by which to make themselves clean; The Commandments. By Gods GRACE Christ Jesus is taking those sins onto HIMSELF to give Gentiles a CHANCE of salvation if they follow The Commandments and walk in his footsteps)
15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
(Let no man tell a RIGHTIOUS Gentile they are any less.)
Titus 2, 11-15
Now Paul
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
(So nothing will be done with those RIGTIOUS left alive until AFTER the SECOND COMING of Christ Jesus. Those that have died will have to be judged before the alive.)
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(Again only AFTER The Second Coming of Christ Jesus those that died RIGHTIOUS in Christ Jesus are taken FIRST.)
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(So ONLY AFTER Christ Jesus returns and AFTER the RIGTIOUS DEAD are raised; THEN AND ONLY THEN; ARE THE FULLY RIGHTIOUS that are left alive AFTER Tribulation taken to those risen righteous that are with Christ Jesus in the clouds.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4, 15-18
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Jesus in Revelation Chapter 3: 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
(most so called Jews follow babylonian talmud or Kabbalah which is satanism disguised as judaism – look it up)
Exodus 19:5 – Now therefore, if if IF IF (BIG IF) ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Jeremiah 11:10 They (Judah) are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers. Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers. (THEY BROKE THE COVENANT, NOT THE LORD)
Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. (God DIVORCED ISRAEL) Yet God promised a new covenant in Christ
Jeremiah 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a NEW new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jesus in Revelation Chapter 3: 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. (most so called Jews follow talmud or Kabbalah which is satanism disguised as judaism – look it up)
Yes Israel is blinded, but to what? I believe blinded to their identity of who they are.
Galatians Chapter 3: 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [be] Christ’s, then ARE are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. (ARE, not become and not “spiritual” seed either) Abraham was the grandfather of Jacob Israel.
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Edwin; Your extensive “evidence” of scripture that you provided us with are pretty vague and does not really support your opinion. It seems you just handpicked some passages as 100% evidence. Even scriptures that has little to no reference to this subject we are talking about.
I think there are more scriptures that support that we will be here for the tribulation. My personal opinion is that we are already in the tribulation as we speak, so to say.
Many big events in the Bible happened right before peoples eyes without most of them even knowing it. Jesus talked about that for example in Matthew 16, about hypocrites who could tell the signs of the weather but not the signs of times.
God bless Hugo and all
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The rapture was complete with the work of our lord and savior on the cross 2000 years ago.
No one wil ascape satan.
Just remember what side you are on.
And dont be a sissy 🤨
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What people misunderstand is theat there is a difference between tribulations and God’s WRATH.
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Dekker’s idea of the pre trib rapture only works when you think the antichrists claiming to be “Jews” are Israel.
1 John 2:22 – Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.)
1 John 2:23 – Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah? SATAN?
1 Corinthians 16:22 – If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.
DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?
Personally I think the church is Abraham’s seed or Israel. Galatians 3:29. – And if ye be Christ’s, then ARE ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Are, not become, the seed of Abraham the true hebrews / Israel.) Paul is preaching to the divorced Nations of Israel of Jeremiah 3:8 who shall be remarried in Jeremiah 31:31.
There is not a Jewish and Christian bride since the Lord is not married to two brides.
When is the resurrection ? Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:52 – In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?
In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the END end of the tribulation. there is not a 7th last trump prior to the tribulation.
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Messianic Jews believe Jesus Christ is the son of God, the promised Messiah. They believe salvation is attained by faith in Jesus, not by following rabbinical law.
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If Messianic “Jews” really believed in Jesus (not Yeshua) they would be Christians.
Does a messianic Jew really love the Lord Jesus Christ of the New Testament?
How to spot a fake wolf in sheep’s clothing
Are they pro zionist?
Are they pro Israeli?
Do they support the (Jewish magic) Kabbalah? The Zohar? do they openly condemn this? doubtful any do condemn it openly.
Do they support the babylonian Talmud?
Do they hate the name of Jesus? Only use “Yeshua”…?
Do they claim the new testament was mistranslated by those pagan Greeks? Torah or Tanach
The Chabad Lubavitch movement has the 7 Noahide laws and they hate Jesus / Yeshu, yet claim to be “messianic” Jews, just not the Jesus of the Bible.
To them Yeshua is Rabbi Schneerson, NOT Jesus.
Amos 5:26 – But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the STAR STAR STAR star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.
Acts 7:43 – Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the STAR STAR STAR star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
What STAR STAR STAR do the jews carry? Moloch and Remphan
Is Yeshua (Jesus) really Lucifer per the Complete (Messianic) Jewish Bible by Messianic Jewish ”MESSIANIC” author David Stern and his COMPLETE JEWISH BIBLE (NIV does the same)
The MORNING STAR (Lucifer in the KJV) who FELL from heaven in Isaiah 14 who goes to the pit.
Yeshua is the MORNING STAR of Revelation 22. (they want us to believe Jesus)
The messianic so called Jews claim Yeshua is the morning star who fell from heaven and is going to the pit who in the king james is called Lucifer.
So basically Jesus is Yeshua which is Morning Star who is the bad guy of Isaiah 14 going to hell. So is Yeshua really Lucifer? Only if you are a “messianic” Jew like david stern in his Bible.
This is what Messianic Jews teach and believe according to the Complete Jewish Bible by David Stern a so called messianic Jew. PS the NIV bible does the same thing.
The angel Gabriel Gave Mary the name of Jesus in the book of Luke which was written in Greek, not Hebrew.
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All false. There is no rapture.
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There is to be a resurrection to come since Christ has not returned – Jesus tells us plainly in Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed (weeds) tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST first the TARES (WEEDS) tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
(first the tares WEEDS get gathered, then the wheat last) could it be any more plain than this?) Did Jesus mess up the timing of end time events? pre tribbers seem to think so.
Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
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Post trib. Math 24, Luke 21, mark 13 say after the tribulation christ comes back for elect = Christians ✝️ read seals, trumpets, vials as same story with same ending and different ending.
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Read the 37th psalm.
Who does it tell you shall be removed from the earth?
Who will be left over in the earth?
How long shall they live in the earth?
All answered in one chapter.
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Yep, it coincides for example with Malachi 4, the last book and chapter of the Old Testament.
I like the concept of the Rapture, to be taken away from all the trouble, but I think scripture says otherwise.
God bless
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I don’t believe the Rapture I believe what’s in Bible nothing will change my love and faith I have in God’s family’s he alone will take me hone in his time I believe u have start date birth and your death and only our Lord almighty knows that date
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The rapture seems too good to be true. Unfortunately, we must endure these wicked times ’till the end.
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I don’t think it’s gonna happen, just another psy-op from the nephilim. Better prepare brothers and sisters, it’s gonna be ugly.
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There setting ut up as always so what’s to come they’ll claim was the Rapture.
Look into WE 13/01/2023, 5000 extra heart attacks then all back to normal, they’ll blast the 5G and the jabbed with enough Graphene oxide in them will have heart attacks, millions and millions of them, looking to be this year, 7 years before 2030 and there losing there power.
Muslims haven’t had the death jabs, like in France they’ll motivate them to finish of Western White Man, started tooling up ready for that fight already, 4.5mm metal gas powered BB guns, blind them then finish them.
Other news, you lot know 100% they used canada fures to make a smoke screen and chemical leak over New York to hide multiple large objects entering atmosphere, the Alien are here and more worrying with USA, help with ww3?
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End times began in Acts. The 70 weeks of Daniel was fulfilled with the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. Charles A. Jennings does some of the best work, and this is someone who genuinely loves the Lord Jesus Christ. Truth in History is not 501(c)(3) and he is very blunt about a lot of things, extensively into who the Israelites were — and are — not Jews, obviously. And he also talks about the hate e-mails, etc., that he gets. And, no, it’s not from rabbis but Christians — the pew sitters who listen to the guy in the pulpit or strutting the stage, who is beholden to the State first.
Truth always makes sense, and there is very little that Jennings and others say that doesn’t make perfect sense — AND HOLLYWOOD WOULD NEVER MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT DOESN’T MAKE THE PEOPLE WHO OWN IT LOOK GOOD.
The wheat and the tares. The tares are gathered first, i.e. the wicked and the destroyers of the earth. This is in the Bible throughout and it’s also backed up by Enoch 1, which is quoted by Peter and very succinctly in June. A lot of Balaam prophets-for-profit have made a lot of filthy lucre off the Rapture — and continue to do so.
The Rapture has also caused so-called Christians to dismiss God’s creation, the Earth, because, oh, God is giving the Earth to Satan and it will be totally destroyed. No, the Earth is the Lord’s and everything in it. Again, that nonsense is a wrong reading of Peter.
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Amen and Amen
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@Cathy “End times began in Acts. The 70 weeks of Daniel was fulfilled with the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.”
I am a new believer (just over two years now) but since I was saved I have had a terrible time trying to understand how ANYHOW gets 7 years of tribulation out of Daniel 9:27. God told Daniel that he was giving Daniel’s people 70 weeks to end their transgressions (sins). So how do 69 weeks get fulfilled by Jesus dying on the cross but then the last week gets cut off from the 70 weeks and thrown 2000 years into the future but somehow that is still 70 WEEKS??? No that would be 2070 weeks NOT 70 weeks!!!
So now EVERYONE believes there are only 7 years of tribulation when in fact John said that the tribulation had already started when he was alive.
Satan has deceived ALL into believing that the tribulation would only be 7 years so that people would MISS it and not see it and therefore not recognize the actual events happening as they were/are happening.
We are NOW in the final moments of the tribulation. I believe the mark has already been given (the jabs), the antichrist may have already been revealed, the trumpets have already sounded, etc.
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God is not the author of confusion, the authors of confusion are men controlled by Satan that complicate biblical passages in order to sell you concepts that are not written in the gospels.
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The jabs aren’t the mark. I believe the Digital ID tied to CBDC is. I know a young Christian mother who has raised her 4 child family in the church, by the Bible. She could’ve aborted her severely disabled daughter, it was highly recommended but she didn’t. During the pandemic, her daughter was hospitalized and the mother was forced to be vaxed in order to be with and advocate for her daughter, who had a trach that often needed suctioning. The child was 9 yrs old, still in diapers, special built wheel-chair bound, non-verbal, non-communicative – basically a “vegetable”, if you’ll pardon that term. Could you imagine caring EVERY DAY 24/7/365 for a disabled child like that, with 3 other children to care for also??
No one can ever tell me that God will condemn this mother to hell for taking the jab to be with her child in her last days on earth. Her only choice would’ve been to abandon her severly ill child to the medical establishment. After 3 wks in the hospital, the child died. Should she have died alone? If you could even imagine that situation, what would you have done? There’s thousands of stories just like that, not to mention millions of children that were jabbed by their parents. Even a few kids were jabbed “accidently” in spite of their parents wishes. Are they all damn to hell, too? Everyone,
ALL people were lied to about the jabs, they were tricked by that lie. Was it setting up the beast system, a trial run, maybe? Possibly. But you cannot be tricked into taking the Mark of the Beast, it will be a conscience decision.
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Cathy
You need to spend more time reading The Bible and less time trying to get knowledge lazily spoon fed to you by men. Charles A. Jennings, a man that believes the Jews are the physical children of satan from Cain. He in his works for his father satan, as all people who sin become satan’s seed SPIRITUALLY the seed of God removed from them.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3, 8-9
Israel and the Jews.
1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.
4 And he must needs go through Samaria.
No Jew had entered Samaria because to be even near these idolaters was believed to make you unclean. Christ Jesus the Jew chose to enter Samaria, chose to talk to a fallen Israelite, a member of the Samaritans. The Samaritans that fell to the Assyrians and the worship of a mountain ‘god’ and so became satan’s seed.
7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)
9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
John 4, 7-14
Decedents of Jacob but fallen to the Assyrian’s idol worship and so satan. Christ Jesus, The Word of God made flesh as a Jew traveling to their country to offer them the chance of salvation.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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Samaria was the capital of Northern Israel during the split of Judah and Israel after Solomon died.
Jerusalem was the capital of Judah. Samaria was the Capital of Northern Israel and well Israel and Judah had different kings and even had wars against each other.
2 Chronicles 18:3 “And Ahab king of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat king of Judah, Wilt thou go with me to Ramothgilead? Ahab king of Israel and Jehoshaphat king of Judah. they had different kings and different capital cities.
To say they were the same is insane. Look at Jeremiah 3:8 the Lord DIVORCED ISRAEL, not Judah. Jeremiah 31:31 is the promise of a new covenant with Israel AND Judah. The Samaritan woman at the well was an Israelite of divorced Israel as we shall see.
John Chapter 4 5 Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph. (Samaria former capital of Northern Israel)
6 Now Jacob’s well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with [his] journey, sat thus on the well: [and] it was about the sixth hour.
7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)
9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? (the woman said Jacob [Israel] was her Father and Jesus never corrected her)
She asked: Art thou greater than OUR FATHER JACOB (who was Israel)
13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
She was indeed an Israelite who was of divorced Israel
Jeremiah 3:8
“And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.”
God divorced Israel, not Judah.
Jeremiah 31:31
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:”
Israel AND Judah both
Matthew 15:24 But he (Jesus) answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
IF you know who Israel is not (zionism) so maybe now you have a better idea of who Israel is….
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Chaplain Bob Walker
Do you think Christ Jesus did not know many of his own people (Jews) would reject him? Do you think he did not know he would die for our sins?
35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
Christ Jesus asks his disciples if they lacked anything when he sent them out without money or clothing to spread the word of God. He does this to show Gods work requires nothing and defiantly NO WEAPONS. He is showing us there is a special reason for his next request.
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Christ Jesus now asks them to go and buy a sword, even though to own a sword at this time was punishable by death. A Roman decree had been announced no one could carry a sword because of an armed uprising against Roman rule.
37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
Christ Jesus now explains he MUST be arrested as a criminal and judged accordingly for scripture to be fulfilled.
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
Enough, enough to count his as a criminal, enough to lead to his death.
Chaplain Bob Walker, I find your self righteous vanity and poisonous bile spewing against ‘Jews’ for Christ Jesus’s death pitiful. I find it particularly distasteful considering Christ Jesus, The Son of God, The Word made flesh born a Jew freely gave his own life with such loving grace to give Gentiles and Jews an EQUAL chance of salvation.
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‘To say they were the same is insane. Look at Jeremiah 3:8 the Lord DIVORCED ISRAEL, not Judah. Jeremiah 31:31 is the promise of a new covenant with Israel AND Judah. The Samaritan woman at the well was an Israelite of divorced Israel as we shall see.’
The Samaritans WERE a TRIBE of Israel but they were captured by the Assyrians and fell to their idolatry. It matters not who you are genetically it matters who you are in righteousness NOW. Many members of The TRIBES of Israel have fallen to satan as the Samaritans did. BUT there is always hope if you admit you are wrong and accept Christ Jesus
39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.
40 So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.
41 And many more believed because of his own word;
42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
John 4, 39-42
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8,14-17
Paul the speaker of Hebrew. the Jew, the persecutor of Christ and his followers, circumcised, a Pharisee, Of the stock of Israel, Of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew, touching The Law, a Pharisee.
So you see a Jew is a Hebrew, is of the tribe of Benjamin, is of the stock of Israel, but Paul gave away his PHYSICAL advantage to accept the new SPIRITUAL covenant of Christ.
Do you accept Christ Jesus was a Jew?
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Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 – I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. and….
Jesus in Revelation 3:9 “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”
Loccie thinks the King James Bible and the words of Jesus are anti-semitic hate.
Only an ANTICHRIST Zionist would call the words of Jesus and the Bible as “HATE SPEECH” or “ANTI – SEMITIC”
I am certain had you lived in the time of Jesus you would have proudly stood next to the Jews screaming CRUCIFY HIM to Pilate to have Jesus killed.
1 John 2:22 – Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.) 1 John 2:23 – Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah? SATAN?
1 Corinthians 16:22 – If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.
DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?
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Chaplain Bob Walker
Your default when you refuse to admit the truth, back to copy and paste with no answer to my question.
Do you accept Christ Jesus was a Jew?
If you can’t accept this you are the one who is denying Christ Jesus and thus an anti-Christ, You will stand before The Word made flesh as a Jew, Christ Jesus. I pity you but no one can help you but yourself, will you have the courage to tell Christ Jesus all Jews are satan’s children?
You are a fool.
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Jesus speaking to the Pharisee Jews – King James Bible book of John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
….because I tell you the truth….
….because I tell you the truth….
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
48 Then answered the Jews
Then answered the Jews
Then answered the Jews
pretty obvious who Jesus called of their father the DEVIL.
Jesus is an antisemite to antichrist zionists and Israeli trolls pretending to be “christians”
Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 – For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.
Loccie wants us to believe Jesus is an antichrist. I say Jesus is the Christ,
if you want to know what “Jews” really teach about Jesus google this “NOAHIDE YESHU”
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I understand you are here for the bidding of your father satan; to spread anger, doubt, division and to drive away those that may seek knowledge with your lies. A Jew can only be a Jew in spiritual righteousness with Christ Jesus, anyone that calls themselves a Jew without Christ Jesus is a liar. So you defiling all Jews (which includes Christ Jesus) is grave blasphemy which you do to please your father satan.
“I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”
Paul, Abraham, Christ Jesus.
37 And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?
38 Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?
39 But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.
40 And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,
Acts 21, 37-40
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Philippians 3,
11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Romans 11, 1
17 Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Messiah.
Mathew 1,17
27 Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers.
28 And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.
29 And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!
30 And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head.
31 And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.
Matthew 27:27-31
2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
Matthew 2:2
37 And set up over his head his accusation written, This Is Jesus The King Of The Jews.
Matthew 27:37
26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, The King Of The Jews.
Mark 15:26
32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
Mark 15:32
38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, This Is The King Of The Jews.
Luke 23:38
13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
John 12:13
19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was Jesus Of Nazareth The King Of The Jews.
John 19:19
2 And Pilate asked him, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answering said unto them, Thou sayest it.
Mark 15:2
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Thank you for this, Hugo. This was an excellent and important one.
I am concerned that many superficial Christians will abandon the faith when Christians are persecuted at the End Times because they were expecting to be “raptured” before these hard times come. The book of Revelation says Christians WILL be persecuted. You are right on about the “complacency” danger. God has His purposes in allowing this persecution of true Christians. It will be a testing of faith, and how I pray to remain faithful. Christians in the Bible were honored to “be counted worthy” to suffer for the Lord. Yes, I would like to be spared too, but I don’t think this rapture concept is Biblical either. You are spot on in your concerns. I was impressed how you even referenced the Jesuit roots of this movement and the girl who went into a trance. It took me years to find that stuff out.
The Rapture concept was only popular in the late 1800s and on. Unfortunately, John Nelson Darby promoted it, and it took off with the Scofield Study Bible. The early Church did not believe in it because there was no Scriptural basis.
I wonder if this rapture that many Christians believe in somehow be used in an End Times deception with ufo abduction or New Age “evolutionary leap” teaching? I just don’t know? All I know is that it is not Scriptural – although popular- and that is highly suspect. Martyn Lloyd-Jones is a pastor who I listen to, and he believes the Rapture is not Scriptural. He goes into detail about that Irving church where that girl went into a trance.
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Love and blessings to you Laura x💕🙏
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@ Laura. Yes, this is exactly what they want: Everyone concentrating on their own ‘escape route’, instead of concentrating on spreading the Good News of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Loving and Trusting in Jesus with All of our Heart is the only answer.
Only then will we be prepared to die for Him because we understand that we die to inherit eternal Life with Him.
That will be the True test.
Understanding texts about a possible rapture with our head is not the answer; only Total and Complete Surrender of the Heart!
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I’m a new Christian. I would love some feedback regarding being a church member. I’m especially interested in how to discern a church that is biblical. I man especially troubled by my current pastor who will often preach and exhort (or maybe extort) people to tithe. Sometimes I get the feeling that these preacher/pastors are just another form of grifters. I recently learned that the church I attend paid for pastor’s getting his Phd! I see a lot of waste and self serving when it comes to how money is spent that is making me feel very uneasy. My impression thus far from reading the Bible is that, as Christians we should be under some kind of discipleship; we should tithe to sow unto the kingdom of god ( meaning the church we’re attending and the missions they’re supporting as long as I’m there). I would appreciate any thoughts on this topic. I love Hugo in that he is always pointing out deception!! My biggest fear currently is that I’m falling into yet another deception!!!
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Marina hi, I’ve been new age, buddhist amongst other beliefs. 3 year now a TRUE CHRISTIAN. PRAY AND READ MY KING JAMES BIBLE DAILY… I HAVE “STILL” NOT FOUND A CHURCH that has not sold out. Most see corrupt. Try “Voddie Baucham OR John McArthur for online bible church services. It’s not quite the same I know. HOWEVER they speak 100% TRUE BIBLICAL KNOWLEDGE & I FOUND THEM PERFECT… Also Paul Washer. However Voddie is my go to Pastor.
God’s love Marina 💕🙏
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The preachers you mentioned are the ones that have helped me since getting saved. Thank you so much for sharing.
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I will look at those I think John Barnett, Skip Heitzig, Tiff Shuttlesworth and John McArthur are skilled in the bible 🙂
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Hi. The Lord told me to leave the church in 2018 after I had been doing evangelism inside the churches to the lost, counterfeit Christians like I was, since 2007. I test every Bible teacher and YouTuber by their understanding on divorce and remarriage and what repentance from adultery is. They are all sell outs for money. John MacAuthur approves of divorce AND remarriage, Tiff Shuttleworth, Jack Hibbs who said you can be married five times or 50 times.
It is really sad that people can be involved with the Before The Wrath movie and know about the covenant that begins in the Jewish betrothal, but they can’t understand that in only Matthew’s gospel is there an allowance to divorce the betrothal wife for fornication/losing her virginity during the waiting period. There is no exception in Mark 10:1-12, Luke 16:14-18, Romans 7:1-3, 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 & 39 and Ephesians 5:31. Marriage is for life, and if you get divorced you must remain chaste or reconcile with your covenant spouse. John the Baptist was the first martyr for Jesus Christ, and he was beheaded for telling the truth to divorced and remarried Herod and Herodias. The rapture is very soon, but probably only 2-3% are living ready to go and have a biblical worldview. Maranatha.
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Hi Marina,
First, welcome to the family of God, dear sister.
What you say about your church is spot-on. Sadly because we are living in the last days, there are many churches that are not really following the Bible and pastors who are wolves in sheep‘s clothing.
The best I find is to pray and ask God to lead you to some true believers that you can fellowship with and if there is a church in your area that is preaching from God’s Word, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, that He will lead you to it.
If not, I pray that he will bring you some true Bible believers that you can fellowship with for Jesus said where two or more are gathered in my name there I am in the midst.
I can recommend some excellent online bible teaching such as Dr Andy Woods and Soothkeep which is a channel by a man called Lee Brainard, also jdfarag.org, and a YT channel called Generation2434 for encouragement for the days we are living in.
Check out also Tony Pearce with the Light for the Last Days. He pastors a church in North London. If you go on his website and email him, he may know of a fellowship in your area.
If you keep in the Word daily and keep close to Him He will not let you fall into deception, do not fear.
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Hi Marina, God bless sister. I too had lots of trouble finding a biblical church. I finally found one, Praise God, called Christ Forgiveness Ministries or CFM. Just google it and hopefully there is a local church near you. http://www.christforgivenessministries.com... God Bless!
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Christ forgiveness ministries teaches that Europeans are a non covenant people of Japheth. So the people who printed Bibles and built the churches are a non covenant people? They teach Black Africans are the covenant people – Bible book of 2 Chronicles 14:12 – So the LORD smote the Ethiopians before Asa, and before Judah; and the Ethiopians fled.
Bible book of Zephaniah 2:12 Ye Ethiopians also, ye shall be slain by my sword.
Ezekiel 30:5 Ethiopia, and Libya, and Lydia, and all the mingled people, and Chub, and the men of the land that is in league, shall fall with them by the sword.
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First make sure they are teaching what the Bible says. First do they preach the real Gospel. Jesus died on the cross to pay for your sin debt and he rose on after 3 nights and 3 days to prove he conquered death. If they don’t teach that then run. If they get things wrong such as Good Friday being when the crucifixion happened ask them to explain. If they don’t go straight to the Bible and admit their error, run. Same with pre-tribulation rapture. If they preach that lie you can test if they will actually change their false doctrine or use illogical non-sense. Obviously if they are supporting homosexual behavior or abortion they are apostates, run.
If they are doing good work and not wasting the money then financially supporting them is good. Ask to look at the books. Any investor would do that.
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Check to see if the church has a 501(c)(3) tax exemption. If they do, they are beholden to the government not the Bible and God’s Word. 501c3 specifically limits what a pastor can preach about. Nothing political or against the popular narrative like abortion, homosexuality or transgenderism. The fines and loss of the tax status are big threats. The church itself is already tax exempt. The 501c3 designation allows congregants to write off their donations, thus an incentive to give to the church. The church is afraid that without this tax break, people won’t give as much or any at all. Thank LBJ for that. He didn’t want black preachers telling their flocks not to vote Democrat.
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totally agree with your 501C3 statement and I am not one either. They are not a “church” they are rather a tax exempt business with the word “church” in their corporate name.
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It has been very important for those who deceive and mislead to distort the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 because it predicts exactly when Jesus would appear, when he would die for mankind and when the message of the Kingdom of God would go out to the whole world.
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I agree we you Hugo. I believe the rapture is hopium. To get Christians to sit back and do nothing.
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If the Christians are raptured whom is gonna be here to save souls in the end? My thought is that Christians will be here to keep doing God’s will.
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The book of Revelation tells of the 144,000 servants of God (Revelation 7 & Revelation 14) who will be sent to Earth to preach the Gospel after the Rapture.
However, there is no 7 year Tribulation. There are 3.5 years of Tribulation, followed by 3.5 years of God’s wrath. Christians must endure the Tribulation (Matthew 24, Mark 13, etc.) but are spared from God’s wrath being poured out in the Earth.
The verses Hugo uses from 1 Thessalonians clearly differentiate between believers who have died and those who are alive and remain, with the latter being called up to meet Jesus Christ and the former on the Day of the Lord / day of the Rapture.
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I believe this, too. People lump Tribulations and God’s Wrath together.
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There will be 144,000 elect of God from the 12 tribes of Israel after the 1st rapture, and the two witnesses of God will be active on Earth and also all the believers that turned to Christ following the rapture.
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Very interesting video Hugo , thank you , (the other day , i sent you a video to your email address , about this very subject , as watching your video on here, you are correct in what you are speaking about, except, in revelations it says a believe from chapter 3- chapter 13 about the Church , being removed … Now when i say church , i mean The Remnant (not everyone) ( im talking about the people who are the Body of Jesus Christ here on earth , who are left … This is where the sifting the Father has been doing is about , sorting the Sheep 🐑 who are his children , from the 🐐 goats and the wolfs 🐺 of this world ….
Im meaning as i keep and have kept saying (only the sheep, will know the voice of the Shepherd & only follow him Hugo …
The calling away is only for the Remnant , the people , who are choosen from before they were born / conceived … The Father new them in the inner place , Jesus Christ knows who are His and we the sheep Know our Father … The Almighty God &Jesus Christ His only begotten Son …
((i know my Father as he knows me as we are Family, im open with him ,he new me from the beginning of time and he promised me He will protect me , as i am his child & he is my Father , My God , My Jesus Christ , my Redeemer ,who promised me , He is the alpha and omega , the beginning & the End ))
Many of us have been spoken to by the father about the rapture & such , but what ever the Father has for us, his children (the Remnant , he has because he Loves us )
There is a poem written called Foot prints Hugo ….
I know the father has shown us , many things about the times we are in & many of us are aware of the world and deceptive manner the world is in…
The Father clearly says , Do not be anxious , and that in every situation he has given his children , a way of escape …
As of the above , I will not die , but i will declare the Works of the Lord Jesus Christ for ever .
I am a Sheep , but my Father is The shepherd , i listen to him and i follow him only …
God bless you Hugo and all who read this , Amen and Amen
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The lie is/was a trick ■ the church being preached and taught that they would be removed before the mark; the congregation not being aware that the Freemasonry members in the churches have been planning for a century or more to have the mark given through the practice of vaccination/needle. The reading of the scriptures through the lineage is considered by most unnecessary time spent; not being aware it is a Genesis seed war, a generation war, a gene abomination. Revelation 3:10 to “lead us not into temptation” is in Greek originally “to lead us not into the [e]xperiment.”
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Daniel 12, Matthew 13, Revelation chapters 19 and 20 ■ the day of the LORD, the wrath, the first Resurrection and then after the Millennium the second Resurrection. Found written in the Book of Life/Lamb’s Book of Life is a great study. In Daniel just before the end chapters it mentions the beast having his ‘fathers’ and then mentions the [d]evices that the beast has.
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The scripture is obvious when it says that we Christians will have tribulations and thus i believe that rapture is pre judgement and not pre tribulation.
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Revelation Chapters 19 through 22; I watch ■ my personal watch is the public offering of the first vaccination abomination in the middle of Hanukkah, December 14, 2020 and that was in N.Y. at 5:15 p.m. that evening. I then add 1260 days/42 months/ 3.5 years from that night and it is completed at the [e]nd of Shavuot at sundown, the following day is July 14, 2024. If there is a delay or just a completion of the beast’s allowance of time the Fall Feast 2024 is said to be the [e]nd of the Jubilee/50th year. Feast of Trumpets is a known idiom to the Jews, “No on knows the day or hour,” because it takes ‘two witnesses’ to sight the new moon to start the Feast. The Fall Feast 2024 will be a seven year anniversary from the Revelation 12 sign that appeared in the heaven/s in September 2017.
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Satan’s deceivers like their numerology so the start of the rollout can’t be dismissed. Do you think the covid jab is the “Mark” or CBDC given the no man can buy or sell in Revelation? I wonder if the Beast is the G7 and the Antichrist is Prince William (UK) as he’s very well liked here in England. He’s following WEF doctrine just like his evil father King Charles who is mostly despised here.
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Death penalty for not taking the Mark of the Beast hasn’t happened yet so the 42 months hasn’t started. I agree that the injection matches the abomination but Revelation 13 could be dragged out over a longer time.
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Pre-trib rapture, post-trib rapture, double raptures, 4yr & 3yr trib rapture rolled into one 7 year event. Roman catholic rapture version. We have tv shows, films & cartoons ALL MOCKING A SO CALLED RAPTURE.
Those worthy of the fathers salvation WILL BE TAKEN UP TO HEAVEN,
“BUT” When HE decides & when HE chooses.
TRUE BELIEF & LOVE in the Gospel, God the father, Jesus & the holy spirit. Plus the 10 commandments…. That’s to get things tarted…
(Forget the rumours)😌🙏
Love, peace & blessings Hugo, 💗🌟 as ALWAYS CHAMPION” of the TRIBE.
AMEN 🙏
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What I believe and understand, is that all Born Again Christians by God
s GRACE, have already passed from death to life in Gods Holy Spirit, Once you believe, and put your trust and faith in the Gospel, given to the Apostle Paul, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, you are saved, and a new creature in the body of Christs Church, and will return with Christ in the Millennium, for which, there is no condemnation, for those who believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ according to the scriptures, and His blood atonement, for the redemption of our sins, you are sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise, How Then Will God Punish Himself, ITS IMPOSSIBLE, a Just and divine God sacrificed Himself for our Sins, His Gift His Eternal. and we deserve it not, yet He God, out of Great Mercy, should be the Lamb of God for the sacrifice of our sin`s.an example here, that God can take you up at a blink of an eye. Is:
Enoch “walked with God: and he was no more; for God took him” (Gen 5:21–24),
When you believe and trust the Gospel, you are washed in the blood of Jesus Christ, God only see
s a righteous person now, Has He did with ENOCH, all born again Christians to God are like Enoch, we maybe still in the flesh, but we have now inside us, a live spirit, and not a dead spirit, compared to the unbeliever, so when the rapture happens and it will, the 7 churches in revelation will know who they are, and those who believed on a different salvation, will then understand and realise the truth, and its these churches which will have to go through the tribulation.NOT CHRIST`S CHURCH.
The rapture will occur shortly after, once the man of perdition is revealed 666, this I believe and understand, will be the trigger for the rapture, so hold onto your seat
s its going to be one heck of a ride.This is only my interpretation; seek the Lord and He will lead you into all truth. God Bless Everyone.
Keep up the Good Work Hugo, you raise up good debate
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Watch Brenda Weltners Video’s on youtube, she is a Berean and has taken a lot of time to explain the multi layers of truth found in the Bible
especially the Book of Revelation that relates to the Blessed Hope and the coming of the Lord. She explains and shows how the scriptures point to 3 seperate raptures, she explains who will be the ones on Earth following the first and who must endure even unto death after the 2nd. She also explains what the time of trouble is . You have nothing to lose, watch her video’s relating to the matter and pray the Holy Spirit gives you discernment and leads you into the truth.
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Hugo, IF I am raptured, i will miss my patients and other loved ones terribly; and feel guilty about leaving them to face up to Jacob’s trouble. Prefer to be with them instead. Willing to accept martyrdom. Hope I have the choice…
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Matthew 10:37-39 (NIV)
“Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
You need to pray and ask to be set free in your heart from inordinate love for this world and for those who would be a stumbling block to you, it is a work of the Holy Spirit to set things in their right order in our hearts, this doesn’t mean you won’t love others in fact you will find you fulfill the commandment of Jesus to love others but no one will usurp the first love we are called to have in our hearts, Jesus Christ our Saviour and Lord. In heaven we will all be brothers and sister their will be no marriage or seperate families we will all be one family.
All our tears will be wiped away and there will be no more pain or suffering once the Kingdom of God comes on Earth as it is in Heaven and don’t forget multitudes without number get saved after the 1st rapture. Some people who are not ready now will become ready to surrender to Jesus Christ after the 1st rapture and also during the great tribulation. All who come first or in the middle or before the end will all receive the same reward….Eternal life in Christ Jesus.
Just like the parable of the labourers sent into the vineyard the ones who went early and the ones who tarried and went at midday and the ones who refused at first but changed their minds and went at the end of the day all were paid the same amount, which some thought as being unfair and questioned it but the Lord cautioned them to be satisfied and leave those decisions to God..
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Fear mongering is usually satan inspired. I believe fear of NOT being raptured is so.
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Or fear of being raptured because they love their life in this world and want to cling to it. God knows our hearts and whatever we believe about it we should be so surrendered to the lord that we are ready come what may . It is not about wanting to escape suffering it is abput wanting to be with the Lord but being willing to occupy until He comes, one way or another ,whether we, live, die or are raptured.
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don’t worry He is in charge and if He wants to rapture us He will. In the meantime, making fun of people who believe in the rapture seems to fall in line with satan. the gospel is foolishness afterall right?
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Hugo.
If, as you say, these movies and books such as ‘Left Behind,’ ‘The Remaining.’ etc., are there to deceive us and to throw us off, how do you explain older movies such as ‘The Exorcist’ and ‘Rosemary’s Baby’? I mean, why would they have taught us that Satan is bad in these older movies if they want us to worship him?
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When the devil offered to feed Jesus by turning rocks into bread, he was masquerading as one who wanted to do good–or as an angel of light.
‘For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.’ 2 Corinthians 11:13-14
Hollywood representation of Satan & Demon Possession is ridiculously exaggerated for a reason. Check out my video The Hollywood Horror Psyop https://hugotalks.com/2023/03/26/the-hollywood-horror-psyop-hugo-talks/
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Hi Josh,
While the devil does in fact seduce many through deception, it is patently clear he was not “masquerading” in the desert as an agent of good. Rather, he was trying to capitalize on Jesus’ humanity and exhaustion as our Lord had assumed the physical form of a human being, subject to all the aches and pains of this world. He, the devil, was never going to fool the True Agent of Good, Jesus Christ. Any reader of the account in the desert understands this.
Regarding deception and seduction, I do believe that movies like the Exorcist and Rosemary’s Baby have this innate power that draws us to darkness. Just like in the garden, we are drawn to mysterious things we don’t quite understand as opposed to heeding our Father’s warnings or simply going to Him with our concerns. I won’t watch movies like these anymore as I truly believe we can invite evil into our lives through them, even if it is by changing our attitudes in the most subtle and imperceptible ways.
As far as mixed messages go, the devil is the author of confusion. We should expect nothing less. It is Christ, and He alone, who is our Rock.
With regard to the Pre-Trib Rapture, I used to believe it was nonsense since most “Christians” I knew, who did believe in it, seemed to be selfish and content with the world eroding around them at a faster, alarming rate. Even though I was and still am very flawed, I did not want to be like them in any way. I’ve always felt we should stand against evil, no matter how often we should fall.
Despite these feelings and frailties of mine, I knew that we children of the Light must seek out the Truth, so be assured. Indeed, Christ tells us in Luke that we should pray to be accounted worthy to escape the horrors of the end times. Also, in Revelation 3, it is the loyal Church of Philadelphia, in whom we should all aspire to reside, which escapes the hour of temptation that comes upon the world.
Paul tells us we are not appointed to wrath and, quite significantly, it is in Revelation 6 that, at the 6th Seal, the Wrath of the Lord is mentioned. Immediately after the world’s recognition of this, the beginning of Tribulation, John asks about the multitude of people mysteriously appearing in Heaven. He is told that they are those who came out of Tribulation. i.e. the rapture, as many would have it. In effect, the rapture and the tribulation occur, it would seem, simultaneously if not very close to one another.
Soon afterward, there is the sealing of the 144,000 who will carry God’s message in the end times. With the exception of Rev 12, which momentarily breaks apart the events as they unfold, the Book of Revelation is in chronological order.
I believe the four horseman, as part of the birth pangs, have been released upon the earth. The 5th Seal is close upon us if it has not already been opened.
I’ve seen many ridiculous comments here from “brave” people who think the idea of an escape is cowardice. It is not. It is the promise of a loving God who will gather His children and leave the worldly to their false gods so that the latter might finally open their otherwise closed eyes.
Courage and compassion are not mutually exclusive. And the bravest among us would not wish to see children and their loved ones undergo, not simply death, but damnation should they fail against the mark of the beast. Additionally, insofar as blessings go, what blessing would it be to endure the most horrible time on earth when it would seem that a natural death before all this would be a far greater blessing had not our Lord already provided for us. Whereas Noah and Lot could escape, there will be nowhere for us to go but our Father’s kingdom.
In the end, it is a faith in our Creator’s true nature, through the intervention of the Holy Spirit dwelling within us, that helps us discern the truth.
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In Revelation 3:10 Christ promises the Church of Philadelphia (which seems to be a type of the true end-time church):
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
This seems to suggest that there will be a group of Christians who will not go through the tribulation. Of course, it doesn’t say that they will be caught up to heaven, but that would be one way of protecting them.
Elsewhere in Revelation 2:22 Christ promises that Jezebel, a false teacher in the Church of Thyatira (which many Protestants see as a type of the Roman Church):
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
This seems to suggest that some who profess to be Christians will go into the tribulation.
On the other hand, the thrashing floor seems to be used used as a type of the tribulation and the purpose of the thrashing floor was to separate the wheat (believers) from the chaff (unbelievers). And if the believers are all up in heaven, then why would there be a need for a tribulation?
The problem is that the Bible doesn’t explicitly say much about what is going to happen. It does have a lot of highly suggestive types which not everyone interprets the same way. A lot of the theories about what is going to happen are based on these types, so we can’t really be sure what will actually happen. It’s possible that the actual events will be more complicated than people expect. I would be very wary of anyone who claims to know exactly what is going to happen.
We should just keep spreading the Gospel and attempting to keep His commandments, praying, and waiting to see what happens.
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Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
(Joh 5:28-29)
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Excellent ■ Daniel 12 :1¶And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Revelation 19:19¶And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Doom of the Beast and False Prophet
20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Revelation 20:1¶And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4¶And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
KJV, blueletterbible
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Well done Hugo. Thank you.
Whole theologies have been built on men’s opinions. A lot of nonsense is held with great passion.
Yet the only thing that matters is what the Lord has said. His word lasts for ever. Till the day we die, we are called to deny ourselves, to carry our cross and follow Him. Not the teachings of men.
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I do believe in a god of love. Just listen to Jesus words.
And look at his work on the cross.
Al we suffer wil give us the crown.
The hard part wil be how we deal with our killers and tortures .this wil make us worthy serving our king.
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The real action does not start until THE END of the first three and a half years, which I believe is much closer than most want you to know. At the end of the first three and a half years the antichrist is revelled at The Abomination and Desolation. No LIVING person is taken off the Earth until after Christ Jesus returns and only AFTER those required to make up the number of those under the alter is made right. That number is made up of the righteous people that are killed for refusing to worship the antichrist during Tribulation.
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4, 17
Those that REMAIN ALIVE AND RIGHTIOUS AFTER Tribulation will be taken up to the clouds with those already there. SO who are those already there?
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise FIRST:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4 13-18
If we examine Revelation 6:9-11 we see there are ALREADY righteous dead in Heaven, but they are told to WAIT until their number is made up. So who and the righteous dead under the alter waiting for? They are waiting for those that will be slain DURING TRIBULATION, those that refuse to worship the antichrist and are killed for it.
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Revelation 6:9-11
Why are they killed during Tribulation?
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Revelation 2, 9-10
This seems very depressing until we realise is if we repent to Christ Jesus and keep ourselves clean with The Commandments we will be taken care of. Those (alive) righteous remnant of Jacob will be taken to a place of safety and there they will be joined by those righteous Gentiles (Strangers) and kept safe by God.
1 For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
Isaiah 14, 1-4
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I believe corona was the white horse.
War, the red horse is up next.
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Thanks Hugo,
No rapture, No 7 yr tribulation, No one-man Antichrist. Theses things have all been fulfilled over the past 2000 years; this Futuristist is eschatology originated, as you said, with the jesuits in an attempt to get the heat of Rome, the antichrist power all the reformers were pointing to.
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So throwing pearls wants us to believe this wicked world is the kingdom of Christ? His “christ” must be satan then.
There is a lie called preterism which says all of Matthew 24 end times was fulfilled Jesus came back and the Bible is finished.
These heretics make this present evil world the “kingdom” of Christ. Much of Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 70AD, but not all.
Those who teach the Bible is ALL past or all future is all wrong. throw away the writings of Paul and throw away the book of Revelation and full preterism works. They will argue the Bible says “Shortly comes to pass?” means a few years in human terms. God does not think in human terms, they ignore the book of acts as well as the rest of the new testament.
So this present evil world is the “Kingdom” of Christ to you? How about EVERY EYE shall see him return? Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. IN THE CLOUDS?
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. A DAY OR TWO FOR THE LORD IS NOT LONG AT ALL. Shortly come to pass
They want you to think the Lord returned in glory. Paul proves they are LIARS.
Preterism: the belief that ALL prophecy of the Bible is past.
Acts 1:11 “Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”
After the resurrection Jesus appeared to the apostles and was taken into heaven.
Matthew 24:30 “And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”
Umm when did Jesus appear coming in the clouds? I missed that event.
Revelation 1:7 “Behold, he (Christ) cometh with clouds; and EVERY EYE every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.”
Did your eyes see Christ come? Me neither – so it has to be future.
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When Holywood promotes something you know to believe the opposite. WHEN IS THE RAPTURE / RESURRECTION?
In Revelation 20:4-6 the last book of the Bible there are only 2 more FUTURE Resurrections (Raptures) spoken of: (after the 2 witnesses appear)
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the FIRST RESURRECTION. or rapture
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the SECOND DEATH hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
In the above scriptures, these are the Martyrs. John said “this is the first resurrection.” John didn’t say this is the “second phase of the first resurrection,” as pre-tribbers claim.
If this is the FIRST resurrection, can there be a resurrection before this one? Of course not, unless you want to ADD to the bible which is forbidden!
The First Resurrection is of the dead in Christ and the Second is after 1000 years. Paul wrote that the Dead in Christ MUST rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 …and the dead in Christ shall RISE FIRST
17 THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them…
In Rev. 20:4-5, John sees the souls of Saints who were BEHEADED for refusing the Mark of the Beast during the Great Tribulation. John writes that they will rise and reign with Christ for 1000 years and that this is the FIRST RESURRECTION!
If according to John, the beheaded rise in the FIRST resurrection and Paul said those who are alive and remain are not caught up until AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected, then this means the catching up or rapture takes place AFTER tribulation! (read this again until you GET IT)
Now compare the above with 1 CORINTHIANS 15:20-23:
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first-fruits of those who slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; AFTERWARDS THOSE WHO ARE CHRIST’S AT HIS COMING.
Notice only one resurrection of the dead in Christ is mentioned here! Which, according to Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 must take place BEFORE we who are alive and remain are “caught up” with them!
When did Jesus say the dead in Christ would be resurrected?
John 6:39-40: Jesus said, “This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up ON THE LAST DAY.
John 6:44: Jesus said, “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up ON THE LAST DAY.”
Is the LAST DAY the thousand year reign of Christ?
I believe so….then it is eternity and time is counted no more
So if Jesus himself said the dead in Christ will be raised on the LAST DAY, and Paul said we who are alive and remain will not be caught up (raptured) until AFTER the dead are raised, then where does secret pre-trib rapture fit in?
Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:52 – In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?
In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the END end of the tribulation. there is not a 7th last trump prior to the tribulation.
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Yes the 7th and last trump finishes the mystery:
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed, (52) in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Revelation 10:7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then is finished the mystery of God, according to the good tidings which he declared to his servants the prophets.
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This is what happens down the religion rabbit hole, the constant disagreement on what is the Truth. The constant twisting on words and personnel beliefs all to what ends, to serve a creator , really for what reason? It seems the human race need to have all the answers and if there isn’t one they will create one and then spend their time convincing others.Take a long look at life and you can see it.
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Believing a false prophecy like the pre trib rapture will cause many to believe Jesus was a false prophet and accept the “Jews” messiah the antichrist as the messiah and take his mark 666. What will happen to pre tribbers faith when they find they must die for Christ like millions did before them when they were told this would not happen?
Why is when the rapture / resurrection a hotly contested thing? It was not even debated until 200 years ago. Look into the lives of those who promoted this doctrine, like C.I. Scofield and you might consider this very suspect. Jesus said by their fruit ye shall know them.
Jesus tells us plainly in Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed (weeds) tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST first the TARES (WEEDS) tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
(first the tares WEEDS get gathered, then the wheat last) could it be any more plain than this?) Did Jesus mess up the timing of end time events? pre tribbers seem to think so.
Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
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There are two words from our creator.
The world you live in, and the books (bible) you reed
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Matthew 24:29-31:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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There is only ONE a second coming of Jesus. I once believed in the hype about a pre-trib rapture but then I read the Bible more; researched who pushed this doctrine; and learnt to listen to God.
The pre-trib rapture is a satanic lie. It’s demonic in origin. It’s being pushed by those deceived.
There is no seven year trib. We’ve been in tribulation since Jesus’s resurrection.
There is no physical mark- it’s spiritual.
Stop believing all the sensationalist nonsense. Read GK Beale’s study on Revelation and the biblical symbolism.
Yes, the elite monsters might be orchestrating what, to many, appear to be prophesies – like a third temple being built, but they’re just trying to mess with the evangelicals heads. And, it’s working!!!
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If the mark is spiritual, how is it used to determine who can buy and sell during the end times, or prove who worships the beast? I’ve asked this many times of those who say the mark is spiritual, but I never get any answer.
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Oz, read Isaiah 55/1-2
To me, it is biblically sound that the mark was spiritual in nature as the Bible talks of marks and seals in a supernatural way, but, I too, could not understand the buying and selling part. Then I read about someone’s take on Isaiah 55. I cannot for the life of me remember where I read it but it started to make sense to me.
I do think the elite will insist on some sort of technological mark but I believe that’s to sow confusion and fear. I am not 100% sure though so I would NOT take anything that felt wrong or was an affront to God.
It’s just how I look at it all. Might be way off the mark…no pun intended.
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It has been very important for those who deceive and mislead to distort the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 because it predicts exactly when Jesus would appear, when he would die for mankind and when the message of the Kingdom of God would go out to the whole world.
“Know therefore and vnderstand, that from the going foorth of the commandement to restore and to build Ierusalem, vnto the Messiah the Prince, shall be seuen weekes; and threescore and two weekes, the street shall be built againe, and the wall, euen in troublous times.”
– Daniel 9 25
We need to look for a commandement to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem.
The commandement which most correctly answers to the specifications of Daniel 9:25 was the decree of Artaxerxes to Ezra, recorded in Ezra chapter 7.
It was issued in the year 457 BC.
A week according to this prophecy is seven years, which means that 69 weeks equals 483 years.
Since there is no year zero, this means that the 69 weeks ran until the year 27 AD.
457 BC + 483 (69 weeks) = 27 AD
Jesus was born in 4 BC and in 27 AD he was 30 years of age when he was baptized, annointed,
“Now when all the people were baptized, and it came to passe that Iesus also being baptized, and praying, the heauen was opened:And the holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a Doue vpon him, and a voice came from heauen, which said, Thou art my beloued sonne, in thee I am well pleased.
And Iesus himselfe began to be about thirty yeeres of age”
– Luke 3:21-23
According to Daniel 9:25, it would take 483 years (69 weeks) from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince. This commandment of Artaxerxes fulfils this verse as Messiah the Prince appeared in 27 AD.
“And hee shall confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the midst of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease”
– Daniel 9:27
In “the midst of the weeke” means three and a half years later. That was 31 AD.
It was the year that Jesus was crucified and his death constituted the final and perfect blood sacrifice to which all other sacrifices had previously pointed and thus perfected and ended all sacrifices.
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And The Hebrew calendar for the year 31 AD shows us that there were two Sabbath days in the week that Jesus died. The High Sabbath The Feast of Unleavened Bread began at twilight on the 15th day of Nisan.
Nisan 15 that year was a Wednesday. That leaves room for Jesus being dead for three WHOLE days and three WHOLE nights.
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reading some of the comments here, So many people think the rapture is nonsense, when Holly wood makes a movie, they are always topics taken from the Bible, for the Bible mentions, witches, warlocks, astrologers, taro readers, dragons, serpents, devils, I could go on, all these are mentioned in the Bible, so when Holly Wood makes a film about the rapture it
s going to be anti-God and is mentioned in the Bible, everyone in this rapture movie left behind is suffering lose and blaming God, everything Satan does copies what God does to some extent, Holly Wood wants everyone to think the rapture is a bad thing, but to the true Born Again Christian, it is a marvellous thing to happen, when Jesus Christ claims His price possession, which is all those who believed in the Gospel given to the Apostle Paul.Galatians 1:12
“For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”
This is why everyone ignores Paul, and turns to the other Apostles, it
s the same when it comes to the rapture, when its clear as day.People seem to want to just keep adding something, instead of just accepting everything Jesus has done on our behalf.
God commands everyone to be saved, but it`s up to the individual to accept the free gift God offers everyone.
God Bless
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Matthew Chapter 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: …..
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Luke 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see,…
Jesus spoke in parables to hide things from the wicked. Not everyone has the offer of salvation as the Lord hated Esau
Malachi 1:3 “And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.”
Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.
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Oh my, my, my… Where in the bible exactly says that some ‘chosen’ are going to escape tribulations? If during those tribulations Jesus was going to take those ‘chosen’ in the air, then why on earth Jesus said that the days will be shortened for the sake of the ‘elect’? Why would Jesus say that only those who persevere TILL THE END, will be saved? [this passage also demolishes the heretical idea that one is ‘already saved’].
Thessalonians 4:17 & Matthew 24:29-31 describes the day where Jesus is going to judge the entire world, and those who survived tribulations and will be considered saved on that day, will join all the souls that were already in heaven since the beginning of time… those believers who are alive during Christ’s second coming will not experience death, but rather, will be gloriously transformed and join the saints already with Christ. Those who survived tribulation and will be condemned by Jesus on that day, will be thrown into the lake of fire, together with all those who were already in hell since the beginning of time. So this ‘rapture’ will happen on the day of the Second Coming of Jesus, when Jesus will judge the entire world… never before this!!!
Guys, the theory of a ‘rapture’ is a recent one; if I’m not mistaken it was fabricated in the 18th century, but only grew in popularity in the 20th century, thanks to the [heretical] so-called ‘tv evangelists’ in America. This would have been news to christians—both catholic and protestant—living prior to the 18th century, since the concept of a pretribulation Rapture was unheard of prior to that time. Vague notions had been considered by the puritan preachers Increase (1639-1723) and Cotton Mather (1663-1728), and the late eighteenth century baptist minister Morgan Edwards, but it was John Nelson Darby who solidified the belief in the 1830s and placed it into a larger theological framework.
Everyone will have to face tribulations and remember that throughout the centuries, christianity grew thanks to the blood of the martyrs.
As with most things protestants, the devil has fooled them into a false sense of security; he doesn’t want you to be alert, he doesn’t want you to focus on your sins… for what if you are ‘already saved’? Why persevere? Why be alert? The devil doesn’t even want you to ask forgiveness to God regarding your sins – God forgives our sins indeed, but only if we ask forgiveness!!!
Tribulations will be a period of purification… everything that doesn’t come from God at the end of tribulations, will be erased.
The devil doesn’t want you to be ready to face these troubling times coming our way very fast, and when I say ready, I mean spiritually ready.
God isn’t interested in saving bodies, but souls!!!
Those who believe in a pre-tribulation ‘rapture’ are going to have the shock of their lives… poor souls!!!
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Sign me up too! But it’s not Biblical. Though “Daniel’s 70 week’s” is basically repeated by John in Rev.
Jesus said Christian’s would go though The Tribulation. (Not tribulation) He has said may prophecies, many thing’s that have not happened yet. This is one reason why there will be a “Falling Away, Great Apostacy.”
Kirk Cameron was the original “Left Behind” actor. He was Christian, when he was acting in that film. He has changed his views to Post-trib. Which is why Nick Cage was in the re-hashes.
Love how much you are quoting scripture. Bell’s ringing in my head. Thanks Hugo.
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I believe that there is no rapture BEFORE the horrible day of the lord when the wrath of God is poured out. I believe true believer’s will be taken at Jesus second coming and will not have to endure God’s wrath but WILL have to endure all the terrible stuff that will/has happened before that point in time.
I also believe that an “alien deception” (i.e., project blue beam) will be used to hide the “rapture” of the saints to deceive those who are “left behind”. The alien deception will be sold to those “left behind” as people who needed to be “taken” because they were holding back the “evolution” of mankind so the all knowing and all wise “aliens” took them “off planet” so that earth and its inhabitants can “evolve”. The aliens will then probably say that those taken have been “reeducated” and will shortly be returned or some silly nonsense like that so as not to cause a panic. This explanation will allow a new religion and a new world order to come in. This may also keep many “left behind” from repenting and finding salvation during God’s wrath.
I also believe that we are already much further through the end times prophesied events than MOST have even considered. As this discussion on this blog proves, Satan has had 2000 years to lie and deceive mankind into making all kinds of false “interpretations”. AND Hollyweird has sensationalized the end times so that most having not the eyes to see will NOT see what is happening.
I wish we true believers were not going to have to endure all that is coming, but wishes aren’t going to stop God’s plan.
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What Christian YouTube-channels are you referring to, Hugo?
I know very little about Christian YT-channels at least the larger, of which you are the only one i follow, and AoC Network and a American girl named Mia.
Sounds like “Christian One” is channel you mentioned now.
Rapture is however a red flag and I am glad that you reacted. It is from the little i know about it the worst possible way to prepare for what is ahead of now.
Always, really always, appreciate your videos!
God Bless You!
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Why I still believe there will be a rapture, is because we are still in the church period of Apostle Paul, and is Under GRACE. No works, all those who believe the Gospel are saved, and will be claimed and caught-up by Jesus Christ on the day, on the hour, on the minute, on the second, snatched out of the World. Then begins the Tribulation, and Jacobs Troubles as God turns His attention back to His Chosen and Special People the Jews.
Ephesians 1:11-14
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
This is what the spilling of Jesus Christ blood done, when he was crucified for the debt of our sins.
Its an upfront payment for your soul Amen.
Dictionary Meaning redemption
NOUN
the action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil:
“God’s plans for the redemption of his world”
SIMILAR:
saving
vindication
absolution
saving/freeing from sin
a thing that saves someone from error or evil:
the action of regaining or gaining possession of something in exchange for payment, or clearing a debt:
“The peasants found the terms of redemption unattractive”
SIMILAR:
retrieval
recovery
reclamation
repossession
recoupment
ARCHAIC
the action of buying one’s freedom:
“Soldiers who were captured had to seek redemption” · “serfs began paying redemption dues”
Ephesians 1:9
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
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Graham believes Scofield and Larkin dispensations. Darby’s family, that great “Christian”, pre trib scholar owned Leap castle in Ireland reported to be the most haunted castle in the land. Birds of a feather.
Scofield who popularized the rapture in the USA cheated his mother in law out of her life savings and never repaid her. Supposedly he got “saved” in prison.
For all you Scofield lovers – get out your zionist Scofield Bible and read
1 John 5:7 “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
Scofield footnote “O” says this verse has no real Biblical authority – in other words it does not belong in the Bible….
He was a charlatan and pseudo Bible scholar and you trust his pre trib rapture notes and dispensational theology?
He never paid a penny of support to his kids? both daughters said that and the Bible says in the mouths of 2 or 3 witnesses let everything be established.
He went to jail for swindling his mother in law of her life savings and NEVER paid her back even when he made big money with the bible sales. WHY did he never repay them? Why did he leave his wife and kids penniless?
Scofield’s daughter and wife begged him to help them and he did nothing. Scofield made big money off his fake bible and did nothing for his kids.
1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own [family], and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. The Bible says Scofield was an infidel.
No, it was UNGODLY people too lazy to study the bible who ignored his sins and filled those “churches” .
that is why harry potter outsells the “bible” today
When Hollywood makes movies about “LEFT BEHIND” you better check your theology.
Read Jesus in Matthew 13:30 when he said in the parable of the wheat and the tares or weeds get TAKEN FIRST.
So did Jesus get mistaken about the rapture timing?
Scofraud dumped his wife and kids and never gave them a penny in support per his own 2 daughters. 1 Timothy 5:8 “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” Scofraud is an infidel per the Bible. Oh and he swindled his mother in law out of her life savings and never paid her back when his perverted Bible sold millions of copies and he could have done so. Only fools trust Bible scholarship from infidels.
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I use the King James Bible (KJV) authorised version only, for my Bible study, I
ve never studied any other dispensations, and Ive never heard of Scofield and Larkin, I dont study different dispensations, I only ever refer to the King James Version (KJV) Bible, trying to Understand the Word of God, and I believe on the Word of God to be true, and I dont dismiss other people’s interpretations of scripture, I compare it to what is written in the King James Bible for my doctrine, and understanding. I don`t put my faith in what a man says or claims, I put my faith in what the Bible speaks to me. God Bless you Chaplain Bob Walker.LikeLike
you had to have learned dispensations and the rapture from outside the Bible from “preachers” who taught it. there is no church age and then the tribulation, even if you do not know what it is called. Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:52 – In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?
In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the END end of the tribulation. there is not a 7th last trump prior to the tribulation.
Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 – I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. and….
Jesus in Revelation 3:9 “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.” If one wants to believe the antichrists who reject Jesus are Israel, so be it.
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Rapture come from the Greek word rapio. It means to be caught up. Violently snacthed away. It says ‘and the last trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised incorruptable.’ Then those that are still alive will be caught up to join them. So there will be a rapio but it will be at the last trumpet. The last trumpet is at the end of the tribulation.
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Correct about the trumpets. I want to help you avoid confusing other people or giving liars a way to attack your message. Rapture is from Latin rapturo, the Greek word for caught up is harpazō Strongs G726. The Latin Vulgate was the Roman Catholic Church text.
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Rapture or not, the only thing that matters is your relationship with the Lord. We need to remain focused on His message and spreading His word.
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You mean the Dr Chuck Missler who worked for defense contractors and military intelligence? Associated with heretical Calvary Chapel?
The one who was sued and lost for plagiarizing a book by an antichrist new ager? This is in his book ” Magog Invasion ”
from Dr. Yamauchi, a new ager. If they are popular and famous you know they are heretics.
Missler is associated with Hal Lindsey, a pre tribber fibber. How about read the King James Bible and ignore famous “preachers”
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Completely agree with you Hugo, I have long revised my original thoughts on the ‘rapture’
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what does zionism have to do with it? is this an anti-semite thing? I love Hal Lindsey! He is still preaching. The one I DON”T like is Billy Graham. But maybe I have read too many Chick Tracts. we all seem to have our bias’s I guess. I love Isreal, I am pro life and believe in the rapture. so sue me.
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One reason to believe there could be a pre-tribulation rapture is that the church (the bride of Christ) is not subject to God’s wrath and the 7 year trib period is God’s wrath / judgement poured out on the earth/ungodly. The saints in that time are the ‘Tribulation saints’ those who get saved by refusing the mark of the beast. (Yes, a different category of saints).
There were rapture ‘types’ in the old testment, where Lot was taken out of sodom by the angels before judgement fell, Enoch was taken up to God before the flood (judgement). Noah was preserved through the flood (like Israel will be in tribulation).
If you read Genesis 18, the Lord said to Abraham that he would not destroy a city if 10 righteous men were in it, hence God will have to remove the righteous before judgement otherwise He risks contradicting His word??
The belief in the rapture is a non-essential doctrine and one that usually cause arguments, as we see in the comments section. There is no point debating it, the most important thing is whether you are saved or not.
What I would say is that we should not condemn our own brothers and sisters for their interpretations of non-essential doctrines. If there is a rapture – great! If not – then we have to get our head cut off when we refuse the mark of the beast. No stress.
I do question why it is called the ‘blessed hope’ if we have to go through 7 years of hell on earth where virtually nobody survives at the end!? Not much hope there really is there?
YOU WILL KNOW when Christ returns at the end, as there is a specific day count from the abomination in the mid-point by the AC, (Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is he who waits and arrives at the 1,335 days).
BUT as for the rapture it says that ‘no man knows the day or the hour’ – so it must refer to a different time!?
He will take His bride home as in Isaiah 26:
19 (resurrection of the dead) Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20 (Rapture of those alive at the time) Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. (Tribulation period).
God bless us all. Let us stay kind, loving and pure in the way we treat each member of our family in Christ.
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It all boils down to money. IF Pastors preach suffering & persecution (like the Bible teaches) and maybe die for the faith, the church shall be almost empty and less people = less tithe money.
IF you preach pre trib rapture and no suffering you get more people = more tithe money. Read the book of acts as the Christians DIED FOR THEIR FAITH. Read the rest of the Bible while you are at it. pre tribbers deny that the day of the Lord and the day of Christ are the same event, thus they are essentially denying that Jesus Christ is LORD.
Pre tribber pastors also LIE to plant this false doctrine so you either lose your faith when you are LEFT BEHIND OR you take the mark of the beast thinking it is not the mark since it is impossible to be here for the mark since they are sure pre trib is true and they will not be here.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and there are 7 trumps in Revelation and the 7th one is the LAST ONE and is at the END OF THE TRIBULATION. Christians are killed by the Devil’s followers and pre tribbers LIE and say oh that is God’s wrath and we are not subject to God’s wrath as it seems they always LIE – in the days of Noah it was the WICKED who were TAKEN and Noah was LEFT BEHIND.?
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Chaplain Bob Walker. Reading your comments makes me sad. You seem more concerned about venting almost hatred for your brothers and sisters in Christ who believe in a different interpretation of the scriptures than you do, than speaking about the love of Christ and what a wonderful thing it is to be saved. You would be far better off telling the unsaved about the Gospel. As regarding the rapture, or if indeed if there is a rapture, is not something that will determine where you are going to spend eternity. You are wasting time. Also calling your brothers ungodly etc is not a position that you should take. Every child of God is precious, He shed His sinless blood for each and every one of us as though we were the only one in the whole world. You obviously feel very strongly about your opinion, but that’s what it is, an opinion, an opinion about something that is not essential to the determining of your eternal destination. All you are doing is harming the message of Jesus.
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You are right I hate false prophets who promote false prophecies. the pre trib rapture lie is not a simple difference of opinion of was Jesus born on a monday or on a friday. Zondervan, the largest printer of Bibles in the English speaking world, is owned by Harper Collins that prints gay porn and the satanic bible of the church of satan. their parent company is known to us as the Fox network.
Yes I hate evil and their lies.
Hollywood is a dangerous place to get your Bible knowledge from. Do you know what to do IF you are LEFT BEHIND?
Nicolas Cage did Ghost Rider, a flaming skeleton, and the movie LEFT BEHIND. Church goers who call themselves “Christians” are ignorant of what the Bible teaches.
Does the movie Left Behind faithfully teach what happens from the Holy Bible?
the flood of Noe or Noah’s day is used for the text for the rapture or who is taken and left behind
Luke 17:26 – And as it was in the days of [Noah] Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
* Noe is the Greek rendering of Noah. The New Testament was written in Greek.
Luk 17:27 – They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
[Who was taken and who was left behind?]
The wicked were taken and the righteous were left behind
Luk 17:28 – Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luk 17:29 – But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
[Who was taken and who was left behind?]
Luk 17:30 – Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
The Director of Left Behind is Vic Armstrong
Written by Jerry B. Jenkins (based on his novel), Tim LaHaye and with actors: Nicolas Cage, Lea Thompson and others
John 6:39-40: Jesus said, “This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up ON THE LAST DAY.
John 6:44: Jesus said, “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up ON THE LAST DAY.”
So if Jesus himself said the dead in Christ will be raised on the LAST DAY, and Paul said we who are alive and remain will not be caught up (raptured) until AFTER the dead are raised, then where does secret pre-trib rapture fit in?
1 Cor 15:52 – In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?
In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the end of the tribulation
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I do not think any (or many) on this forum beleive in a “secret pre-trib rapture” yet you continue to bash and bash anyone who “thinks” that there will be a rapture at some time and most on this forum think that the rapture is “pre-wrath” and none have ever said it was “secret” . So quit your bashing as you are bashing people for holding an interpretation that none (or few) on this forum are even holding.
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God bless you, Christian. I have zero doubt that the rapture is pre-Tribulation. The born again church age saints who have died have been in heaven, but they will rise from their graves wherever their DNA is to receive their glorified bodies, and then we who are alive and remain will receive ours so that we can fly up to heaven without dying just as Elijah. I have been watching daily for over six years since my first dream on 3/16/2017, and I have delivered messages from Jesus and rapture songs the Holy Spirit wrote and several rapture dreams. The birth pains are intense, and the church is going to be snatched out of here in the nick of time- any day any hour. A gospel tract/left behind letter that I have given out over 5,000 here in Atlanta and have friends in other cities giving them out is on my community page, and I was told by the Holy Spirit to go to four showings of Left Behind: Rise of the Antichrist movie in January and there I met others who know the rapture is going to happen. I did two videos about it, and one was a 14 year old girl who had just had a rapture dream two weeks before and told- Revelation 3:11. Maranatha!
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Walking by the Spirit Always must believe the antichrists are going to become believers…in the tribulation.
Jesus in Revelation 3:9 “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”
1 John 2:22 – Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.)
1 John 2:23 – Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah? SATAN?
1 Corinthians 16:22 – If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.
DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?
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Bon wrote “Walking by the Spirit Always must believe the antichrists are going to become believers…in the tribulation.”
where did Walking say anything about the antichrists becoming believers? Or did I miss something?
There are billions of people walking the earth right now who are not antichrists, they are just unaware and more likely than not they are atheists. I do not condone atheism but in the world where God has been [intentionally] hidden how are these atheist going to find God? I may be wrong but someone who does not know God is not necessarily an anti Christ.
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It is so easy to band scriptures about, tieing them together to make them say what you want them to say. Nicky Gumbel who helped develop the famous Alpha Course, warned about this. He did a very amusing thing where he talks of a guy who opens his bible at a random places to find out what God’s will is for himself. He opens it up at 3 random places and reads a verse from each place, joins them together, and what he ends up with is something like ‘Do all of the words which I have spoken- Judas fell headlong -Go and do likewise ‘ A silly example, but you get my point. We all come at the bible with tainted eyes and ears. Yes Jesus has made us The Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, Cleansing us by His blood, but our feet need washing daily as we walk through the mire of this fallen world. We, none of us, have it all together. We bring with us our own perceptions, from our upbringings, and experiences. Our prejudices and our flesh. We are broken vessels that God is mending little by little. ‘We see through a glass darkly’ So we need to pray for one another but also for ourselves, as we can often get in the way, and before we know it we’re acting like pharisees , splitting hairs over things that aren’t essential.
There is a dieing world out there. A world that looks at Christians and doesn’t like what it sees, and who can totally blame them. We should be recognised by our love for one another. Jesus sat and ate with sinners, not grudgingly, but gladly. Let’s shine for Jesus while there is still time. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that I haven’t felt frustrated at things I’ve read on the Internet, who hasn’t? And responded in a wrong manner. But, let’s try and remember, we’re not called to vain arguments, but to tell people that God loves them and made a way for them to have a relationship with Him, Father and child together at last, with no sin separating them, through Jesus’ outstretched arms.
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It is so easy to band scriptures about, tieing them together to make them say what you want them to say. Nicky Gumbel who helped develop the famous Alpha Course, warned about this. He did a very amusing thing where he talks of a guy who opens his bible at a random places to find out what God’s will is for himself. He opens it up at 3 random places and reads a verse from each place, joins them together, and what he ends up with is something like ‘Do all of the words which I have spoken- Judas fell headlong -Go and do likewise ‘ A silly example, but you get my point. We all come at the bible with tainted eyes and ears. Yes Jesus has made us The Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, Cleansing us by His blood, but our feet need washing daily as we walk through the mire of this fallen world. We, none of us, have it all together. We bring with us our own perceptions, from our upbringings, and experiences. Our prejudices and our flesh. We are broken vessels that God is mending little by little. ‘We see through a glass darkly’ So we need to pray for one another but also for ourselves, as we can often get in the way, and before we know it we’re acting like pharisees , splitting hairs over things that aren’t essential.
There is a dying world out there. A world that looks at Christians and doesn’t like what it sees, and who can totally blame them. We should be recognised by our love for one another. Jesus sat and ate with sinners, not grudgingly, but gladly. Let’s shine for Jesus while there is still time. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that I haven’t felt frustrated at things I’ve read on the Internet, who hasn’t? And responded in a wrong manner. But, let’s try and remember, we’re not called to vain arguments, but to tell people that God loves them and made a way for them to have a relationship with Him, Father and child together at last, with no sin separating them, through Jesus’ outstretched arms.
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Amen Charlynne! Jesus is Lord!
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