Hugo, GOD is speaking! You have 109 comments, and 109 in Greek Strong’s concordance means AIR!!! For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV
Jesus Himself knows there is a pre-Tribulation rapture- harpazo- 726 since He said so in John 14:1-4, Revelation 3:10-11 and in the parable of the 10 virgins in Matthew 25. Jesus is coming to take His bride/church UP to heaven ending the age between Pentecost and the rapture to begin the seven year (2520 days) Tribulation before His 2nd Coming to earth in Revelation 19.
This is the comfort that we have that persecution of the true Christians has been going on since Pentecost, and we are betrothed to Jesus Christ the Jewish Bridegroom who we serve faithfully as we watch therefore, you don’t know the day and hour. My YouTube channel has lots of videos about the Scriptures proving the pre-Tribulation rapture, and I have been persecuted for all the 18 years I have been born again. We rejoice in our persecution since Jesus told us, “let not your heart be troubled”- John 14:1-4. Maranatha. Walking by the Spirit Always and Truth Triumphs channels, flying UP in the AIR from Atlanta GA.
It won’t be long until we see the fruits of believing in this false escapist ideology. Those who adhere to it will be woefully unprepared for what is coming. Hugo, your understanding of scripture — especially for someone so new to it — sets a fine example for even us long-time Christians. God bless you, bro.
Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
If we were to see this woman referred to here as the bride of Christ or the church (crown of twelve stars : Apostles, clothed with the sun : righteousness of the gospel) then we can see that She is to give birth to a ‘man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron’ : New Church from the old church (That’s how I see it anyway), and that ‘her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne’. Where is Gods throne? Matthew 5:
34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne:
35 Nor by the by the earth; for it is his footstool
Is heaven up in the sky? Acts 1:
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked steadfastly toward HEAVEN as he went UP, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing UP into HEAVEN? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
So the newborn will be taken up into heaven in the same way as Jesus rose into heaven, whatever that newborn is (maybe the 144,000?).
The rest of the church (the woman) ‘fled into the wilderness’
How is this not a hope of escape of some sort from the wrath of the serpent when he is cast out of heaven?
Please read the rest of Revelation chapter 12 and see how it ties-in beautifully with Matthew 24 and Mark 13 and Luke 21.
I agree. It seems to me that new believers and people who haven’t been in a church since a young age seem to have more of an understanding of scripture than others. It’s God revealing his wisdom to those that read the bible, rather than listening to someone else’s interpretation.
the main issue I have with the teaching of the pre tribulation rapture as fact is this.
When 666 the mark of the beast comes people will take it thinking they will not be here for it.
so it can not be the mark of the beast preachers will claim.
1 Thessalonians Chapter 4 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord,
that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:
and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:
and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
(if one is not caught up in the clouds, it is the WRONG MESSIAH)
2 Thessalonians Chapter 2: 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (the antichrist comes first before Jesus does)
Revelation Chapter 14 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city,
because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image,
and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation;
and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(Take the mark 666 and suffer the wrath of the Lord and you will know what it is when you can not buy anything without it and it is in the right hand / forehead)
Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem which is likened to Sodom and Egypt.)
29Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
3O AND THEN SHALL APPEAR the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Tribulation versus Wrath…PLAIN AS THE NOSE ON YOUR FACE…
TRIBULA’TION, noun [Latin tribulo, to thrash, to beat.] Severe affliction; distresses of life; vexations.
In Scripture, it often denotes the troubles and distresses which proceed from persecution.
When tribulation or persecution ariseth BECAUSE OF THE WORD(THE GOSPEL), he is offended.
Matthew 13:21
“Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.”
In the world ye shall have tribulation
John 16:33
“These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”
Gods wrath in Scripture, is his holy and just indignation against sin.
Romans 1:18
“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;”
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for YE ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST
29And if ye be Christ’s, then are YE ABRAHAMS SEED, and HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE
there is not two sets of believers in New Testament , namely jew and gentile but only those who are born again believers in the Lord Jesus Christ …HIS ELECT
Romans 11:7
“What then? Israel HATH NOT OBTAINED that which he seeketh for; but the ELECTION HATH OBTAINED IT, and the rest (jews)were blinded”
Church my not be mentioned after Revelation 4 but the ELECT is…which are Born Again Believers in the LORD JESUS CHRIST ONLY,…
1 Thessalonians 1:4
“Knowing, brethren beloved, YOUR ELECTION OF GOD.” this church was made up of jews and gentiles not separate ways to God
1 Peter 1:2
“ELECT according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
sadly there is a big cash cow grown up around dispensationalism and futurism and woe be those who go against it…
Is this forum censored as my links to a bible teacher is missing from two of my posts? I really don’t understand the fear and hatred of rapture eschatology, but as long as you’re saved that’s the main thing. We will get there one way or the other, rapture or via beheading in the Tribulation! God bless us all in our walk with Jesus.
If you take the mark of the beast 666 thinking you will not be here for it due to the pre trib rapture, well you will not be saved and end up in the lake of fire.
Oh come on Bob, it’s pretty obvious when the mark of the beast will be here as you will have two options – take it or lose your head! Stop patronising people, you don’t know it all and neither do I! Show love not hate in your responses. You are not supposed to hate anyone.
Anyone who takes the time to properly research the rapture may be surprised at what they learn, it’s not rocket science. God cannot judge a city/nation etc if there are righteous people in it! It goes against His word in Gen 18 and God cannot go against His word or lie. So He has to remove them before judgement somehow.
So using the flood as an example, Enoch was raptured before the flood, Noah & family preserved THROUGH the flood like Israel with be protected in Tribulation period. The rest perished as their thoughts were only evil continually (unrighteous). Like those who will perish in the flood of Tribulation soon.There is much more – rapture is in the bible as it was written in Greek at the time of Jesus. The word is “Harpazo” see below.
You just have to have a humble, teachable attitude. Some doctrine you have to look deeper and look at what has happened before as it is prophetic of what is to come.
From bible.org:
“…The Greek word from this term “rapture” is derived appears in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, translated “caught up.” The Latin translation of this verse used the word rapturo. The Greek word it translates is harpazo, which means to snatch or take away. Elsewhere it is used to describe how the Spirit caught up Philip near Gaza and brought him to Caesarea (Acts 8:39) and to describe Paul’s experience of being caught up into the third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2-4). Thus there can be no doubt that the word is used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 to indicate the actual removal of people from earth to heaven.”
I’m devoting time to this as I happen to think it will bless you to understand just how much God loves us that He will indeed remove us before pouring out judement on the earth. If you look at a proper study it will be eye-opening I assure you.
God bless.
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Getting our heads cut off by the evil ones is not the wrath of God. King David a man after God’s heart hates them that hate the Lord.
Psalms 139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
Psalms 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
2 Chronicles Chapter 19: 1 And Jehoshaphat the king of Judah returned to his house in peace to Jerusalem.
2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.
Should we love and help those who hate Jesus the Lord?
1 Corinthians 16:22 – If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.
How about Satan? Love him too?
I think not.
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I think is most of those who took the jab will have no problem taking the mark especially those who haven’t woken up or won’t wake up especially those still getting boosted…it like banging your head against a brick wall trying to warn them
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I believe you are right about that. I suspect the vax was a 666 trial run / depopulation move. I would love to be wrong about the timing of the resurrection. I just do not see it from scripture alone.
Revelation 12:17 “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
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Sadly pretribbers believe a Jesuits lie, put in place when Rome had to get rid off the truth discovered by true Born againg believers at the time that Rome,it’s pope’s and it’s kingdom,Babylon was the true antichrist beast system,and moved it forward that an antichrist was in the future and take the eyes off the RC church and the lie went forward with freemasons Darby and scholfirld if your are truly Born Again the holy spirit will show you the truth ask and you will get discernment,sadly since I received this discernment ihave discovered that your biggest enemies are the supposedly Christian churches around you,you will know them by their fruits,let satan close their churches during lockdown,forced congregants to be jabbed and be 6 feet apart wear masks,we had churches with Christian separated in church by Satan’s minions,you will easily recognise a false church when the won’t allow king James Bible,are pretribb and dispensationalist ,how many Christians out there today are sighing and crying for the abominations in their midst Ezekiel 9:4-6
“Of which there are some hard things to be understood”. This is a comment in scripture about itself. Not all things are readily perceived by the one who will casually peruse the scriptures. That, no doubt, is according to the will of God, for the admonition by the Creator unto us all is that we ought to meditate within His Word day and night.
For the person who takes to heart the commandments of love in following after the Creator, it is possible that that one may come to understand the dark sayings of the wise. David the Psalmist wrote:
Psalm 119:98 Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me. 99 I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation. 100 I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.
There certainly shall be a gathering of God’s elect out of all nations immediately prior to the Trumpet Judgments (which is the commencement of the GREAT Tribulation), but it most certainly is not the Pauline rapture of Thessalonians, and so neither does it occur at the resurrection and neither is it unto glorified bodies. Rather it is for the few who are ACCOUNTED WORTHY to stand before the Son of Man and to escape all the things which shall come to pass, according to the Word of Jesus Christ. If we are to call it, loosely speaking, a rapture, then it is a rapture upon Eagles Wings UNTO THE MOUNTAINS AND HIGH MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL as revealed unto the beloved disciple John, and It is the fulfillment of all these prophecies, with MANY other scriptures pertaining thereunto.
Ezekiel 34″11-16, Ezekiel 20:33-40, Luke 17:29-32, Matthew 24:15-21 and Revelation chapter twelve.
There can be NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER about the reality of this forthcoming event which shall occur AFTER the manifestation of antichrist, and furthermore, as I have been led to understand by scripture and prophetic dreams, it occurs AFTER initial imprisonments and persecutions of the saints.
I believe scripture makes it pretty clear that Christians (The Saints) aren’t going to get a free pass. Christians, nor any Saint or prophet, have ever really avoided persecution throughout history. We need to armour ourselves and keep in prayer and reading the Bible.
A lot of people want to avoid the hardship coming, so they make up this rapture story to comfort themselves. Whatever happens, the Lord will protect us and keep us safe in our hour of trial, as the scripture says but we should brace ourselves otherwise we will be like the bridesmaids who’s oil lanterns were empty!
1 Timothy 4:1-5
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times SOME SHALL DEPART FROM THE FAITH,(Christians losing their faith???) giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 FORBIDDING TO MARRY(hymm who does that?) and COMMANDING to abstain from meats,(friday no meat only fish day. hymm r/c again (roman catholic church doctrines ????) which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
the Bible has warned us and so should your pastor ,if he hasnt get out of that church if its all lovy duvy doctrines….Acts 20:27 as thy will drag you to hell with him
“For I have not shunned to declare unto you ALL THE COUNSEL OF GOD.”old testament and new testament , 66 books only..
Sounds more like the Jewish World Economic Forum to me – The Bible ALONE tells you who this mystery Babylon is….
END TIMES JERUSALEM
The physical Babylon was destroyed and never to be rebuilt.
There is a spiritual Babylon which is end time Jerusalem from the Bible alone…
Revelation 18:21 – And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. …..
……Revelation 18:24 – And in her (Babylon) was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
babylon was responsible for the BLOOD of PROPHETS.
Revelation 16:6 – For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
Revelation 17:6 – And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Mystery Babylon killed the prophets
Jesus speaking Luke 13:33 – Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
Jesus in Matthew 23:37 – O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
the two end time witnesses of God are mentioned here:
Revelation 11:8 – And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Jesus, MY LORD was crucified in JERUSALEM, which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. NOT Rome or in Mecca or the USA
Do we believe Jesus or commentaries?
How about Paul?
Paul writes in 1 Thess 2:14, 16 – For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their OWN PROPHETS, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.
If any can show me from the Bible alone where Rome or Islam killed the prophets please let me know. I hate Rome and know she has murdered many. Islam has killed many but is not mystery babylon.
However Jerusalem is also built on 7 hills as is Moscow (communism) and Istanbul (islam) and Seattle (microsoft)
Matthew 23:34 – Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Mat 23:35 – That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 – Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Matthew 23:37 – O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Revelation 18:24 – And in her (babylon) was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
babylon was responsible for the BLOOD of PROPHETS.
Jesus speaking
Luke 13:33 – Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
Jesus in Matthew 23:37 – O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
17Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.(ALL TRUE BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN ARE WATCHMEN FOR THE LORD TO WARN THE UNGODLY)
18When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.(DONT BE COWARDLY IN PREACHING THE WORD OF GOD)
19Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
20Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
21Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.
Romans 2:28,29
“For he is not a Jew, which is one OUTWARDLY;(present day jews/israel) neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:”
“BUT HE IS A JEW, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit,(ALL TRULY BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS,ARE THE NEW JEWS/ISRAEL, SEED OF ABRAHAM) and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”
Romans 4:13
“For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.”
Galatians 3:7
“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.”(born again believers)
Galatians 3:14
“That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”
Galatians 3:29
“And if ye be Christ’s, (Born again)then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
When you ridicule the Jews generally you are ridiculing fellow born again believers. We are already ready told that the ones doing it are not true Jews , but the synagogue of satan…
Revelation 2:9
“I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”
Revelation 3:9
“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”
Luke 9:1
“Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over ALL DEVILS, and to cure diseases.”
DEVILS ARE ONLY MENTIONED in KING JAMES BIBLE..but demons are mentioned in all the newer counterfeit bibly…why? Because demons are a pagan invention
Websters Dictionary 1828
DEMON, noun A spirit, or immaterial being, holding a middle place between men and the celestial deities of the Pagans. The ancients (pagans)believed that there were good and evil demons, which had influence over the minds of men, and that these beings carried on an intercourse between men and gods, conveying the addresses of men to the gods, and divine benefits to men. Hence demons became the objects of worship.
so that is why your King James Bible is the only Bible you should be studying, use Gods terms not mans…i was born again through the use of a gideon new testament, but the Holy Spirit led me to using the King James Bible only going forward….you can be saved in a toilet (counterfeit bible), but you dont go back to the toilet after your saved…
Wow, Hugo. This was such a blessing to watch. I literally had my own experience with the rapture issue in a Christian church and made a video- wanted to share: https://youtu.be/Ue3ItmigFMI
God bless!
Once again you are spot on Hugo. Sadly the Evangelist pastors in USA, (of which I do listen to a few, as our own churches here are an a abomination to the Word) are all indoctrinated with Scofield’s Bible and corrupt teachings! However there are a few who have also spoken about the dream of the girl in Scotland which Scofield used to change the Bible meaning! It’s not something we were ever taught in England, just another of the bad things that came from America, although I do love my Amercian brothers and sisters! How one passage canbe manipulated in such a way is beyond me. I gave written to some of the pastors concerned and received nothing but dribble back. Tge reason so many gave not pushed back on the NWO is because they believe they won’t be here for it! Sadly they have a HUGE shock coming to them. Ps Are you sure you haven’t trained to be a preacher x God bless you Hugo and all my brothers/sisters in Christ! I love you all.
Hugo, GOD is speaking! You have 109 comments, and 109 in Greek Strong’s concordance means AIR!!! For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV
Jesus Himself knows there is a pre-Tribulation rapture- harpazo- 726 since He said so in John 14:1-4, Revelation 3:10-11 and in the parable of the 10 virgins in Matthew 25. Jesus is coming to take His bride/church UP to heaven ending the age between Pentecost and the rapture to begin the seven year (2520 days) Tribulation before His 2nd Coming to earth in Revelation 19.
This is the comfort that we have that persecution of the true Christians has been going on since Pentecost, and we are betrothed to Jesus Christ the Jewish Bridegroom who we serve faithfully as we watch therefore, you don’t know the day and hour. My YouTube channel has lots of videos about the Scriptures proving the pre-Tribulation rapture, and I have been persecuted for all the 18 years I have been born again. We rejoice in our persecution since Jesus told us, “let not your heart be troubled”- John 14:1-4. Maranatha. Walking by the Spirit Always and Truth Triumphs channels, flying UP in the AIR from Atlanta GA.
It won’t be long until we see the fruits of believing in this false escapist ideology. Those who adhere to it will be woefully unprepared for what is coming. Hugo, your understanding of scripture — especially for someone so new to it — sets a fine example for even us long-time Christians. God bless you, bro.
Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
If we were to see this woman referred to here as the bride of Christ or the church (crown of twelve stars : Apostles, clothed with the sun : righteousness of the gospel) then we can see that She is to give birth to a ‘man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron’ : New Church from the old church (That’s how I see it anyway), and that ‘her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne’. Where is Gods throne? Matthew 5:
34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne:
35 Nor by the by the earth; for it is his footstool
Is heaven up in the sky? Acts 1:
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked steadfastly toward HEAVEN as he went UP, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing UP into HEAVEN? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
So the newborn will be taken up into heaven in the same way as Jesus rose into heaven, whatever that newborn is (maybe the 144,000?).
The rest of the church (the woman) ‘fled into the wilderness’
How is this not a hope of escape of some sort from the wrath of the serpent when he is cast out of heaven?
Please read the rest of Revelation chapter 12 and see how it ties-in beautifully with Matthew 24 and Mark 13 and Luke 21.
I agree. It seems to me that new believers and people who haven’t been in a church since a young age seem to have more of an understanding of scripture than others. It’s God revealing his wisdom to those that read the bible, rather than listening to someone else’s interpretation.
the main issue I have with the teaching of the pre tribulation rapture as fact is this.
When 666 the mark of the beast comes people will take it thinking they will not be here for it.
so it can not be the mark of the beast preachers will claim.
1 Thessalonians Chapter 4 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord,
that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:
and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:
and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
(if one is not caught up in the clouds, it is the WRONG MESSIAH)
2 Thessalonians Chapter 2: 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (the antichrist comes first before Jesus does)
Revelation Chapter 14 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city,
because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image,
and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation;
and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(Take the mark 666 and suffer the wrath of the Lord and you will know what it is when you can not buy anything without it and it is in the right hand / forehead)
Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem which is likened to Sodom and Egypt.)
Matthew 24:29-30
29Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
3O AND THEN SHALL APPEAR the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Tribulation versus Wrath…PLAIN AS THE NOSE ON YOUR FACE…
TRIBULA’TION, noun [Latin tribulo, to thrash, to beat.] Severe affliction; distresses of life; vexations.
In Scripture, it often denotes the troubles and distresses which proceed from persecution.
When tribulation or persecution ariseth BECAUSE OF THE WORD(THE GOSPEL), he is offended.
Matthew 13:21
“Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.”
In the world ye shall have tribulation
John 16:33
“These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”
Gods wrath in Scripture, is his holy and just indignation against sin.
Romans 1:18
“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;”
Galatians 3: 28-29
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for YE ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST
29And if ye be Christ’s, then are YE ABRAHAMS SEED, and HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE
there is not two sets of believers in New Testament , namely jew and gentile but only those who are born again believers in the Lord Jesus Christ …HIS ELECT
Romans 11:7
“What then? Israel HATH NOT OBTAINED that which he seeketh for; but the ELECTION HATH OBTAINED IT, and the rest (jews)were blinded”
Church my not be mentioned after Revelation 4 but the ELECT is…which are Born Again Believers in the LORD JESUS CHRIST ONLY,…
1 Thessalonians 1:4
“Knowing, brethren beloved, YOUR ELECTION OF GOD.” this church was made up of jews and gentiles not separate ways to God
1 Peter 1:2
“ELECT according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
sadly there is a big cash cow grown up around dispensationalism and futurism and woe be those who go against it…
Is this forum censored as my links to a bible teacher is missing from two of my posts? I really don’t understand the fear and hatred of rapture eschatology, but as long as you’re saved that’s the main thing. We will get there one way or the other, rapture or via beheading in the Tribulation! God bless us all in our walk with Jesus.
If you take the mark of the beast 666 thinking you will not be here for it due to the pre trib rapture, well you will not be saved and end up in the lake of fire.
Oh come on Bob, it’s pretty obvious when the mark of the beast will be here as you will have two options – take it or lose your head! Stop patronising people, you don’t know it all and neither do I! Show love not hate in your responses. You are not supposed to hate anyone.
Anyone who takes the time to properly research the rapture may be surprised at what they learn, it’s not rocket science. God cannot judge a city/nation etc if there are righteous people in it! It goes against His word in Gen 18 and God cannot go against His word or lie. So He has to remove them before judgement somehow.
So using the flood as an example, Enoch was raptured before the flood, Noah & family preserved THROUGH the flood like Israel with be protected in Tribulation period. The rest perished as their thoughts were only evil continually (unrighteous). Like those who will perish in the flood of Tribulation soon.There is much more – rapture is in the bible as it was written in Greek at the time of Jesus. The word is “Harpazo” see below.
You just have to have a humble, teachable attitude. Some doctrine you have to look deeper and look at what has happened before as it is prophetic of what is to come.
From bible.org:
“…The Greek word from this term “rapture” is derived appears in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, translated “caught up.” The Latin translation of this verse used the word rapturo. The Greek word it translates is harpazo, which means to snatch or take away. Elsewhere it is used to describe how the Spirit caught up Philip near Gaza and brought him to Caesarea (Acts 8:39) and to describe Paul’s experience of being caught up into the third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2-4). Thus there can be no doubt that the word is used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 to indicate the actual removal of people from earth to heaven.”
I’m devoting time to this as I happen to think it will bless you to understand just how much God loves us that He will indeed remove us before pouring out judement on the earth. If you look at a proper study it will be eye-opening I assure you.
God bless.
Getting our heads cut off by the evil ones is not the wrath of God. King David a man after God’s heart hates them that hate the Lord.
Psalms 139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
Psalms 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
2 Chronicles Chapter 19: 1 And Jehoshaphat the king of Judah returned to his house in peace to Jerusalem.
2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.
Should we love and help those who hate Jesus the Lord?
1 Corinthians 16:22 – If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.
How about Satan? Love him too?
I think not.
I think is most of those who took the jab will have no problem taking the mark especially those who haven’t woken up or won’t wake up especially those still getting boosted…it like banging your head against a brick wall trying to warn them
I believe you are right about that. I suspect the vax was a 666 trial run / depopulation move. I would love to be wrong about the timing of the resurrection. I just do not see it from scripture alone.
Revelation 12:17 “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Sadly pretribbers believe a Jesuits lie, put in place when Rome had to get rid off the truth discovered by true Born againg believers at the time that Rome,it’s pope’s and it’s kingdom,Babylon was the true antichrist beast system,and moved it forward that an antichrist was in the future and take the eyes off the RC church and the lie went forward with freemasons Darby and scholfirld if your are truly Born Again the holy spirit will show you the truth ask and you will get discernment,sadly since I received this discernment ihave discovered that your biggest enemies are the supposedly Christian churches around you,you will know them by their fruits,let satan close their churches during lockdown,forced congregants to be jabbed and be 6 feet apart wear masks,we had churches with Christian separated in church by Satan’s minions,you will easily recognise a false church when the won’t allow king James Bible,are pretribb and dispensationalist ,how many Christians out there today are sighing and crying for the abominations in their midst Ezekiel 9:4-6
“Of which there are some hard things to be understood”. This is a comment in scripture about itself. Not all things are readily perceived by the one who will casually peruse the scriptures. That, no doubt, is according to the will of God, for the admonition by the Creator unto us all is that we ought to meditate within His Word day and night.
For the person who takes to heart the commandments of love in following after the Creator, it is possible that that one may come to understand the dark sayings of the wise. David the Psalmist wrote:
Psalm 119:98 Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me. 99 I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation. 100 I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.
There certainly shall be a gathering of God’s elect out of all nations immediately prior to the Trumpet Judgments (which is the commencement of the GREAT Tribulation), but it most certainly is not the Pauline rapture of Thessalonians, and so neither does it occur at the resurrection and neither is it unto glorified bodies. Rather it is for the few who are ACCOUNTED WORTHY to stand before the Son of Man and to escape all the things which shall come to pass, according to the Word of Jesus Christ. If we are to call it, loosely speaking, a rapture, then it is a rapture upon Eagles Wings UNTO THE MOUNTAINS AND HIGH MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL as revealed unto the beloved disciple John, and It is the fulfillment of all these prophecies, with MANY other scriptures pertaining thereunto.
Ezekiel 34″11-16, Ezekiel 20:33-40, Luke 17:29-32, Matthew 24:15-21 and Revelation chapter twelve.
There can be NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER about the reality of this forthcoming event which shall occur AFTER the manifestation of antichrist, and furthermore, as I have been led to understand by scripture and prophetic dreams, it occurs AFTER initial imprisonments and persecutions of the saints.
I believe scripture makes it pretty clear that Christians (The Saints) aren’t going to get a free pass. Christians, nor any Saint or prophet, have ever really avoided persecution throughout history. We need to armour ourselves and keep in prayer and reading the Bible.
A lot of people want to avoid the hardship coming, so they make up this rapture story to comfort themselves. Whatever happens, the Lord will protect us and keep us safe in our hour of trial, as the scripture says but we should brace ourselves otherwise we will be like the bridesmaids who’s oil lanterns were empty!
1 Timothy 4:1-5
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times SOME SHALL DEPART FROM THE FAITH,(Christians losing their faith???) giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 FORBIDDING TO MARRY(hymm who does that?) and COMMANDING to abstain from meats,(friday no meat only fish day. hymm r/c again (roman catholic church doctrines ????) which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
the Bible has warned us and so should your pastor ,if he hasnt get out of that church if its all lovy duvy doctrines….Acts 20:27 as thy will drag you to hell with him
“For I have not shunned to declare unto you ALL THE COUNSEL OF GOD.”old testament and new testament , 66 books only..
Sounds more like the Jewish World Economic Forum to me – The Bible ALONE tells you who this mystery Babylon is….
END TIMES JERUSALEM
The physical Babylon was destroyed and never to be rebuilt.
There is a spiritual Babylon which is end time Jerusalem from the Bible alone…
Revelation 18:21 – And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. …..
……Revelation 18:24 – And in her (Babylon) was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
babylon was responsible for the BLOOD of PROPHETS.
Revelation 16:6 – For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
Revelation 17:6 – And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Mystery Babylon killed the prophets
Jesus speaking Luke 13:33 – Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
Jesus in Matthew 23:37 – O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
the two end time witnesses of God are mentioned here:
Revelation 11:8 – And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Jesus, MY LORD was crucified in JERUSALEM, which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. NOT Rome or in Mecca or the USA
Do we believe Jesus or commentaries?
How about Paul?
Paul writes in 1 Thess 2:14, 16 – For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their OWN PROPHETS, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.
If any can show me from the Bible alone where Rome or Islam killed the prophets please let me know. I hate Rome and know she has murdered many. Islam has killed many but is not mystery babylon.
However Jerusalem is also built on 7 hills as is Moscow (communism) and Istanbul (islam) and Seattle (microsoft)
Matthew 23:34 – Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Mat 23:35 – That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 – Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Matthew 23:37 – O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Revelation 18:24 – And in her (babylon) was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
babylon was responsible for the BLOOD of PROPHETS.
Jesus speaking
Luke 13:33 – Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
Jesus in Matthew 23:37 – O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Ezekiel
Chapter 3:17-21
17Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.(ALL TRUE BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN ARE WATCHMEN FOR THE LORD TO WARN THE UNGODLY)
18When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.(DONT BE COWARDLY IN PREACHING THE WORD OF GOD)
19Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
20Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
21Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.
Romans 2:28,29
“For he is not a Jew, which is one OUTWARDLY;(present day jews/israel) neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:”
“BUT HE IS A JEW, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit,(ALL TRULY BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS,ARE THE NEW JEWS/ISRAEL, SEED OF ABRAHAM) and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”
Romans 4:13
“For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.”
Galatians 3:7
“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.”(born again believers)
Galatians 3:14
“That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”
Galatians 3:29
“And if ye be Christ’s, (Born again)then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
When you ridicule the Jews generally you are ridiculing fellow born again believers. We are already ready told that the ones doing it are not true Jews , but the synagogue of satan…
Revelation 2:9
“I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”
Revelation 3:9
“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”
Luke 9:1
“Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over ALL DEVILS, and to cure diseases.”
DEVILS ARE ONLY MENTIONED in KING JAMES BIBLE..but demons are mentioned in all the newer counterfeit bibly…why? Because demons are a pagan invention
Websters Dictionary 1828
DEMON, noun A spirit, or immaterial being, holding a middle place between men and the celestial deities of the Pagans. The ancients (pagans)believed that there were good and evil demons, which had influence over the minds of men, and that these beings carried on an intercourse between men and gods, conveying the addresses of men to the gods, and divine benefits to men. Hence demons became the objects of worship.
so that is why your King James Bible is the only Bible you should be studying, use Gods terms not mans…i was born again through the use of a gideon new testament, but the Holy Spirit led me to using the King James Bible only going forward….you can be saved in a toilet (counterfeit bible), but you dont go back to the toilet after your saved…
Wow, Hugo. This was such a blessing to watch. I literally had my own experience with the rapture issue in a Christian church and made a video- wanted to share:
https://youtu.be/Ue3ItmigFMI
God bless!
Once again you are spot on Hugo. Sadly the Evangelist pastors in USA, (of which I do listen to a few, as our own churches here are an a abomination to the Word) are all indoctrinated with Scofield’s Bible and corrupt teachings! However there are a few who have also spoken about the dream of the girl in Scotland which Scofield used to change the Bible meaning! It’s not something we were ever taught in England, just another of the bad things that came from America, although I do love my Amercian brothers and sisters! How one passage canbe manipulated in such a way is beyond me. I gave written to some of the pastors concerned and received nothing but dribble back. Tge reason so many gave not pushed back on the NWO is because they believe they won’t be here for it! Sadly they have a HUGE shock coming to them. Ps Are you sure you haven’t trained to be a preacher x God bless you Hugo and all my brothers/sisters in Christ! I love you all.