Posted on October 24, 2021 by hugotalking
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I like this video and the concepts being described. If everyone in the world respected law then I can see this working well. But what about when you have people who simply use force to impose their will on others…how will claiming legal positions help you with a person who is stronger than you and forces you to do something by violence? If they are willing to arrest/kidnap/incarcerate/murder you, etc, then as I see it the best option would be to get away from them before they come near you. Move out of society, flee Babylon, as the bible says, get away from people who will bully you any which way they can. There is going to be massive trouble in this world, especially in the cities, according to the bible, and we are told to flee …not just out of the cities, but to the mountains. According to the bible, the end is nigh. Jesus is coming back very soon. But before he returns certain prophecies are still to be fulfilled. Sunday laws, forcing people to keep the false 1st day sabbath as opposed to the biblical 7th day sabbath. Then plagues. Please see youtube channel truthforfreedom7 for studies on prophecies relating to current events.
Usually, when I post comments here with information similar to this, some people think it worth the effort to try to tear to pieces what I have written. I will not enter into controversy with such people, but simply ask that each person weighs up the evidence for himself rather than following the vociferous crowd. Since when has the majority been correct on anything? Surely with world events being what they are it should make us try to reevaluate every belief and attitude we hold, always bearing in mind that deception is everywhere?
May God help each one of us!
Josephine
Well you can lift one weight from your shoulders by entering Yashua Messiah’s (Jesus Christ’s) Eternal Sabbath Rest (Hebrews Chapters 3 & 4), thereby alleviating the Law based Old Covenant burden of Sabbath keeping, whether it be Saturday or Sunday Sabbath keeping, for both are erroneous under His New Covenant.
Loading...4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Explain these words to me, where is the confusion???
Let me explain this one thing at a time.
Love Fulfills the Law
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
10 “For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.”
I think God was sending you a message “Let no debt remain outstanding”. Here The Son of God explains how keeping one particular commandment ‘Love one another’ makes you unable to commit adultery, murder. theft or covert thy neighbour’s wife or goods. Love is the key to for filling The Spiritual Law, all Gods commandments, there is no hate in love. God tries his best to convert your heart but you can’t see and you can’t hear
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34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together.
35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
You argue against yourself, you yourself admit The Son of God tells the Pharisees of the commandments . The Son of God refers the Pharisees to TWO of the laws THEY should pay close attention to as they do not follow them and so.
10 “For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.”
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The Son of God looks forward to the day you stand before him to explain all the mistake he made.
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Explain these words to me, where is the confusion???
The confusion is in your poor understanding of The Holy Scriptures – you have been taught by a ravening wolf:
1 John 1 – The First Chapter of John’s Letter Explained:
https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/1-john-1-the-first-chapter-of-johns-letter-explained/
Pay close attention to number 4 “He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1 John 2 (New Testament)
4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
No 4 of The Ten Commandments
Pay close attention to number 10 “For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.”
8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”[a] you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,”[b] also said, “You shall not murder.”[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.
James 2 (New Testament)
You are mixing up the Physical Law with the Spiritual Law because you have corrupted the bible so much you will never understand Gods word.
The Spiritual Law is given to us in The Ten Commandments and have never been removed as shown from the The New Testament above in 1 John 2 (New Testament)
Physical Law, The law that stated a circumcised Jewish man was superior to all men, unfortunately as they became many became corrupted to satan they carried on the physical law while following satans teachings and sacrificing to satan. This is why The Son of God came to Earth to remove this Physical Law so all men could become equal.
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Romans 3:1-18 (New Testament)
You lost money through corruption or mistake, you sat around stewing in your own hatred all that time searching for a reason why you? who was to blame?. You found solace in the idea a group of people were against you and they were to blame. You looked around for ammunition to feed you hatred and you found it as have others before you in satanic teaching and a twisting of the bible. It grows within you like a cancerous contagion you seek to spew and spread forth on others in some rampage of vengeance. Your bitter words of hate and vulgarity draw a line to the black mass within you and I hope you find the ability to remove it before it is too late. It is interesting to me the same exact affliction beguiled Geir Gitler for a very similar reasons he forever blamed ‘the Jews’ for Germanys defeat in WWI.
To those people that this appears to be two nutters arguing about ‘religion’ I must sate for me corruption of Gods word is a very serious thing and I felt a need to stand up and say, you have a chance to repent do not believe his lies. Obviously this person will never stop his insane ramblings as he has built such a convoluted copy and paste reality I think even he believes it or is paid to, who knows. The same convoluted idea he pushes the satanist also believe, they have been brainwashed to believe they can not repent because they are ‘satans seed’ this is a terrible awful lie which means this will play out to the very end until God himself have to stop it.
Loading...Romans 13:8 (MCV) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled The Law (The Ten Commandments).
Romans 13:10 (MCV) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of The Law (The Ten Commandments).
Matthew 22:36 Master, which is The Great Commandment in The Law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all The Law and The Prophets.
When Did The Biblical Word ‘KEEP’ Become ‘OBEY’?
https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/when-did-the-biblical-word-keep-become-obey/
British Airways Cabin Crew were required to sign a NEW contract about 5 yrs ago to agree to take “a required Vaccination”, How would this work if they wanted to NOT take one…..I guess as it is NOT Technically a “Vaccine” but Gene Theoropy, the burden of proof would rest on the Bristish Airways t proove is IS a vaccine???????/
Loading...Well, the possible end of our freedoms certainly brought all the crazies out of the woodwork. “Freemen” and “I have an invisible, magic friend in the sky” types. What a combination. I’m sure your informed arguments will win converts by the droves. Bill Gates and his mates must be quivering in their shoes. BTW, good luck with the “taking stuff from a shop if they don’t let you pay with cash”. Try it out in a Muslim area and let me know how many body parts you manage to keep.
Loading...Regarding your comment – “Unfortunately you’re not even half way to getting an education. What good fortune for you that there is no premium on ignorance”.
I have an academic education and a life education – I’m now 68 and was able to retire early. As for ignorance, I’m not the one who believes they have a magic, invisible friend living in the sky. I have had a look at your profile page. You really are a crazy person.
Loading...This is part of what I said in my previous post. “BTW, good luck with the “taking stuff from a shop if they don’t let you pay with cash”. Try it out in a Muslim area and let me know how many body parts you manage to keep.” I was trying to make the point (in a humorous way) that shop owners do not take kindly to theft. The bloke in the video, sovereign Pete, was advocating this.
Loading...Just wanted to ask Hugo about book that was recommended in this talk. Was it about China? I’m wondering if I looked up the wrong book or if there was one with same name. Just brief look at summary of book upset me. I don’t want that stuff in my head as what’s going on is already upsetting enough for most people. The world has changed or we are suddenly aware how much evil there is all around us. What was relevance of book ten thousand cuts? There should have been a warning about it
Loading...@Trev Just for Trev: The Queen to Ronald Reagan: “ALL WESTERN NATIONS ARE BANKRUPT NOW!” https://worldtruthvideos.website/watch/queen-elizabeth-ii-declares-to-president-ronald-reagan-that-all-western-nations-are-bankrupt_e84xbxdQoxWP2U4.html
Loading...None intrinsically 😀 But someone will still provide five pounds worth of goods/services and someone else will provide them with five pounds worth of goods and services, and on and on 😀 Just asking 😀 but if you see a banknote lying on the pavement do you pick it up or do you just leave it there and walk on muttering to yourself ‘worthless piece of polymer’?
Loading...Oh yes people are deluded en-mass into thinking it has value, but in reality every time we use it we just add that amount to the National Debt. Debt can NEVER pay a debt, all it can do is add to the debt. Hence we PURCHASE things, that is, LEVER them into our possession, because NOTHING can be bought with debt notes.
Loading...EVERYTHING is already paid for when you live in a corporate country that operates in a Chapter 11 or Chapter 13 National Bankruptcy – in a national bankruptcy like that ALL DEBTS are forgiven so we should be going to shops and just signing for the goods we need. However, this bankruptcy has been dishonoured by the Pirates and Privateers in power. Tell me what it says on our paper ‘money’?
Loading...A promise to God requires no legalese or formal contractual agreement, he sees your deeds and knows your thoughts, a honest handshake is as binding as any signature. He cares not for petty lies and manoeuvring, we are supposedly adults able to make judgments as to right from wrong. Anyone who promises you magic answers that do not involve God is lying to you. There is no get out of jail free card only faith in Lord God Almighty, satan can remove anything from you other than your faith. We have entered a time of terrible heartache with no easy choices, IF we do not stand under the laws of God almighty in righteousness without straying from the narrow path we will pay the price. Now is an important time for all those waking up, they have chance to state they no longer want to be on satans ship and in true repentance they can join Gods flock by refusing to do anything satans system requires, even to the penalty of death.
Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14] [b]
15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.
16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’ 17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ 19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.
34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[c]
37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.
Loading...Part two for your information: Why Did Yashua Messiah (The Lord Jesus Christ) Walk on The Sea – Part 2 of 2:
https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/2021/03/10/why-did-yashua-messiah-the-lord-jesus-christ-walk-on-the-sea-part-2-of-2/
Yet more ignorant nonsense: Why Did Yashua Messiah (The Lord Jesus Christ) Walk on The Sea – Part 1 of 2:
https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/why-did-yashua-anointed-the-lord-jesus-christ-walk-on-the-sea/
This guy sounds exactly like 1000s of other YouTube Freeman on the land gurus that were around 10 years ago
There was a guy named john Harris who killed himself or was he taken out by the cult because he knew too much
Virtually every guru in this cult has been sent to jail
Winston shrout 72 from USA is in jail for tax evasion he was one of the founding members of the Freeman common law cult
What they say is all fine and dandy but if you don’t have the numbers to enforce your ideology then your beliefs are not going to change anything
They are full of excuses some Freeman goes to court and loses the rest of the cult are convinced it was his fault because he didn’t use the correct words in the correct manner
Freeman are doomed to failure
Loading...Winston Shrout was definitely on the money (no pardon for the pun) but he made four mistakes:
So, WINSTON SHROUT was convicted of “income tax” offenses.
You can only be convicted of such offenses if you or your “vessels” owe such taxes— right? And no “vessel” permanently domiciled on the land and soil of an American State owes such taxes, because why?
Because all our taxes of every kind on all vessels whether trading vessels or commercial vessels are either tax exempt or tax pre-paid, a condition known as “tax percuse”. So long as these “vessels” are operating as American vessels, they are safe. It’s only when these names can be mistaken as British Territorial or Municipal United States VESSELS that they can be taxed.
So—that in turn tells you that Winston never went through the process of reclaiming his Good Name and Estate and re-conveying them to the land and soil of the American State where he was actually born. He never recorded his claim to his own name and estate, or if he did, he didn’t bring that recorded information forward to the District Attorney and others responsible—-most particularly, the Clerk of Court.
If you have your paperwork in order and on the record and you look the Clerk in the eye and say, “You are operating under the 1933 Amendment to the Trading With the Enemy Act” that is as good as saying, “Caught you. Prove that I am an enemy combatant or yield.”
But, Winston never re-flagged his “vessels” in international trade and commerce—- never permanently domiciled these NAMES on the land and soil of one of the sovereign States via a recorded claim presented to the Clerk of Court.
If he had recorded his Re-Conveyance and his Certificate of Assumed Name and his two Witnesses confirming that he was the “Winston Shrout” whose actual birth was recorded on the BC issued by the Territorial State of State — that is, if he had proof that he was operating as an American Vessel/VESSEL — their court couldn’t say anything to him, much less accuse him of a foreign statutory crime or successfully try him.
From the above, we know that he was operating “WINSTON SHROUT” as a British Territorial Vessel belonging to the British Crown. And none of those vessels are tax pre-paid. All such “U.S. Citizens” operating under the “Diversity Clause” owe federal income taxes.
As a result, his remedies worked as long as the other Party was solvent. Once they declared bankruptcy, no Mutual Offset Credit Exchange was possible, because the bankrupt entity had no credit left to exchange. And as we all know, you can’t bring claims against a bankrupt.
This is exactly the reason that I issued the Private Registered Indemnity Bond covering all the unincorporated States of the Union, so that people could switch from remedy based on Mutual Offset Credit Exchange to remedy based on making an insurance claim against the Underwriters of the bankrupt entities.
So — Mistake Number One — continuing to operate as a British Territorial Citizen and/or Municipal United States CITIZEN when you don’t have to, and thereby subjecting your Name / NAME to their jurisdiction and having no evidence on the public record to counterclaim against their presumptions.
Mistake Number Two — not claiming exemption and revoking “election” to pay federal income taxes BEFORE they bring their claims. Remember— first in line, first in time. Hit them BEFORE they hit you.
Mistake Number Three — continuing to use remedies that became “discretionary” for the Federales in 1999, and using these remedies even after the Federal entities are bankrupted.
Mistake Number Four — not observing that these vermin are acting under the 1933 Amendment to The Trading With the Enemy Act and holding the actual Holder in Due Course as Surety for their debt, which is a securities fraud of very high order resulting in a war crime that carries a capital crime
charge with it.
Read that, they can be hung for doing what they are doing.
It is called “salacious securities fraud with intent to foment sedition”. Reduce that to plain English, they are setting up a situation where normal people will start to riot and hang the perpetrators in the streets.
Once you give them Notice of that fact and claim “Habeas Corpus — deliver the body to me.” they are also looking at civil fines described under 18 USC 472 and are in violation of UCC Article 9, Section 402, which clearly states that the Secured Party (the American) is not surety for the DEBTOR (the U.S. Citizen/ CITIZEN) entity.
So, bottom line, as usual, they convicted WINSTON, a Municipal franchise entity, not Winston, the man, and they have offered to incarcerate the man as “cargo” on the foreign Municipal United States VESSEL dba WINSTON SHROUT.
The man can counter-offer at any time, by going directly to the Clerk and the DA and delivering his demand. It’s not as strong when he hasn’t bothered to do his paperwork to reclaim his birthright political status, but they are still attempting to railroad him under the 1933 Amendment to the Trading with the Enemy Act, they still have no excuse for doing so, they are still subject to all the penalties once he calls them on it, and they are still committing securities fraud by holding the actual Holder in Due Course as surety for WINSTON’s debts in violation of UCC 9-402. WINSTON = “U.S. Citizen” = DEBTOR. Winston = American (if he claims it properly) = Priority Creditor
We are closing in on the whole lash-up, so I don’t expect that Winston or anyone else is going to be held for very much longer, with or without exercising their proper options and claims as Americans. We have returned all the State of State and STATE OF STATE and State Trusts to the control and ownership of the sovereign unincorporated States, so all this horse hooey based on similar names deceits is coming to an end.
See this article and over 1300 others on Anna’s website here: http://www.annavonreitz.com
Loading...I went on to their website (The Sovereign Project). Everything looks nice, lovely commitments and promises. But if you want to really learn something you have to sign up by giving some of your personal details. Sounds like a contract, is it not? In my opinion the TRUTH is free to everyone, you don’t have to pay for it with money, or gold, or anything else like your location (even general), name, email.
Loading...Imagine the following scenario Trev.
Blackmailer “Pay me £100,000 and you get your life back. Otherwise I spill the beans and I will make your life will be a living hell”.
You “Erm , ok. Here you go.”
Blackmailer “You won`t hear from me ever again I promise”.
Six months later……………phone call.
Blackmailer “Hi it`s me again. That £100,000 didn`t last very long. I need another £50,000. Remember I can send those photos at any time.
You “Whaaaaaat you must be kidding. Oh ok then. But this is absolutely the last payment I am going to make”.
Blackmailer “I really promise this time. After this you will never hear from me again”.
Six months later……………you guessed it.
Rinse and repeat.
This continues until you have no more money and you don`t have a life worth losing. Your wife / husband has divorced you. You have lost all your family and friends , house , job , credibility and your health has suffered due to stress and a nervous breakdown. But hey , look on the bright side. Actually their isn`t one. Sorry 🙂
My main concern is, I feel I cannot leave my current jobs, what if every job from now on have these medical mandates in the contracts. Does that mean I will never be able to leave my current jobs? Does anyone else feel this dilemma. I feel like I’m in limbo. Eg I was debating studying a pgce, but if they won’t allow you to be a teacher without the jab, then it will be a waste of time for instance.
Loading...My question to Pete – I’ve looked into this stuff for years and it all seems well and good with things like parking tickets etc (ive used conditional acceptance upon proof of claim myself with some sucess for a parking ticket) but tell me how many have suceeded in overturning a misuse of drugs act charge? ……
Loading...Great info however, I don think the cabal are particularly bothered about what you want. They have been planning this for quite sometime. The fact you entered into a soul contract with the Vatican at birth your truly fluffed. That’s why they took an illegal foot print a few days after your arrival here. The Vatican are evil and corrupt. This battle is a big one and they aren’t arsed about your needs or wants. Your title Mr or Mrs etc is the lowest rank according to the law of the sea. Stock up, prepare, and get ready to fight
Loading...Maybe you could use your special knowledge to help end this tyranny. There’s a bit more at stake here than knowing someone who knows someone who got off a parking ticket using it.
Or you could just carry on trying to sound clever and self righteous having a go at people who point out all this garbage has never actually achieved anything.
Maybe you should learn the processes and prove them and/or disprove them for yourself, for all you have given me thus far is a load of unsubstantiated hearsay. You have self convinced yourself already, so why should I bother assisting people like you that are too lazy and/or stiff necked to defend yourself.
I have used these processes with successes and failures, and have achieved what I wanted from using them, namely that they LEAVE ME ALONE! Not only that but I discovered in the latter stages that these process are extremely powerful and vengeful on the flesh and blood man or woman and as a Christian they were not compatible with my beliefs. Vengeance belongs to God, not me – HE WILL AVENGE.
Loading...Hi Silver Surfer, how is 77 brigade these days? Are they still paying you to try and keep the fear ramped up in people or have they realised that it was a waste of time, now that loads of us have awakened. Poor you, common sense will always prevail – try some. Sadly you can’t buy it, you just have to have it. Tatty bye.
Loading...You are either another one of 77 brigade to be protecting this silver surfer idiot or you just love the idea of being controlled and robbed of your freedoms, either way the same back atcha, if you don’t want to read or hear other peoples views, switch it off. I’m not interested in your blatant disregard of my rights and freedoms.
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Ah but I do KEEP his Commandments for 1) they are written on my heart and 2) I know what the Biblical word KEEP means, which you don’t Mr Judaiser.
When Did The Biblical Word ‘KEEP’ Become ‘OBEY’?
https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/when-did-the-biblical-word-keep-become-obey/
When Mary sat at Yashua Messiah’s feet to hear Him, what Commandment was she OBEYING? Feel free to point out when and where Yashua Messiah TOLD HER to sit there. I’ll look forward to your Pharisaical reply, NOT!
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